Looks like RFK Jr. was right. Ozempic is causing heart shrinkage.

Are you telling me that everyone who got covid didn’t die? This is a MASSIVE CONSPIRACY?!!

Thank you for knocking sense into these idiots.

I know. Take a new drug. Suffer dire consequences to your health. But you can't be sure it was the drug so no worries

It says lab results. Not in animals (of which the data is in mice)

Nothing to see here at this time.

In fact, maybe this would be good for cardiac hypertrophy?

All of this is speculation.

reporting every post laughing at "may cause." yall are actually dangerous. like for real. go away

A side effect of unknown risk that may not even be caused by the drug vs. many huge trials showing excellent weight loss, CVD improvement, diabetes management, etc.

ITT: people shocked that losing 15% of your body mass may affect your body

Still nothing supporting what the OP claimed after a couple pages of responses. Why is that?

I work in pharma and most “scientists” are common sense idiots who are so specialized they don’t understand how power influences their work and adds massive bias.Most scientists I met are idiots. Think about it- all the companies that are fake like Theranos and the hundreds of companies that go bankrupt but suck in millions- they all have “scientists” if these scientists so smart why arnt they in power? I mean hell scientists also discovered and created “global warming” which is the bigger inflated topic of human history by those in power to control the common man.
now don’t get me wrong- I somewhat believe in “science” but not exactly it’s “progress” the atomic bomb and lasers and rockets isn’t progress, we still are terrible humans to each other- fixing that is more important than anything science thinks it engineers.

science is like a cult now, it’s for peoples egos or peoples greed for power and money. If you could see these C suite executives scheme up how to steal more public and private money (not just in the name of science) but literally using science and how it murks up the mind, you’d change your mind

“So please listen to those of us who are” what a ffffing moron this line. See that’s the ego and identity of scientists to think they are special- anyone is a scientist- you just use the scientific method.

if anything that’s the point- it’s the method. There are no “scientists” what is that? No. There IS ONLY the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

anyone is a scientist- so stfu

I get all my fake news from science alert. It keeps me up on the latest talking points.

Ok but what are your thoughts on GLP1Ra’s? They certainly seem to be a triumph of modern pharmaceutical science.

I'm fairly sure I made this account around 20 years ago in my teens - I'm not sure why I chose this name and yes, I was apparently unable to spell Baba Ghanoush at age 15.

I'm unclear as to why you decided to ignore the four trials quoted in my post and instead focus on my glib summary statement as some "gotcha".

I'll also note that my original post reads somewhat garbled. I tried to use the forum's hyperlink function to change the links to explanatory text, but for whatever reason it deleted my text and posted the links at the bottom.

At the end of the day, we have almost five years of trial data showing modest to major improvements in significant metrics (mortality, coronary artery disease, heart failure). How much data should a pharmaceutical product have before it can be consumed by the public?

There’s a lot of fit people who need to feel superior for being fit. So, I guess, don’t come after that?

You’ve seen the same thing with vaccines. The COVID vaccines had extremely high quality data on their safety it was never enough for the naysayers. People literally will demand the proving of a negative

Get back to me when folks start having mesothelioma-like effects from the synthetic fibers in all of the masks they were wearing in 2020-2021, and that some are still wearing now.

Lucky if Ozempic's long-term side effects are limited to possible cardiac shrinking. Can be much worse than that.

From where I sit, one obviously-worse effect is if millions of people choose mates based on attractiveness, when those people have no control over themselves and their bodies, but are instead relying on prescription medication to curb their otherwise-gluttonous behavior. If natural selection is real that is a clear defeat for mankind.

Safe and effective. Lol.

I was obese and stopped eating so much food and started working out. Ran a bunch of 15-minute 5ks, and some ultramarathons that I was happy with. Never make it to sub-elite status. Never dedicated my life to running, but I also don't touch fast food or pharmaceutical products.

It wasn't easy. But what's good about easy? Isn't the whole point of worthwhile pursuits that they aren't easy? If they were then everyone would do them. Heck, why not dope everyone to the gills then? EPO is like the Ozempic of elite athletes. "If I was slightly slow and headed towards and early retirement and nothing else had worked then absolutely."
How does cheating somehow become okay in the race of life when it is not at the world championships?

And then there's the fact that I'm paying nearly $400 per month to an insurance company and consuming 0 while some fatties are singing up for Ozempic and the insurance company is being billed around $900 per dose. What a con.

First, all of the data collected by the company selling the drug should be thrown out.

Then the people buying the drug should shoulder all of the risk and cost for consuming the drug. As it stands, I shoulder the cost for other people consuming the drug, for better or worse. Perverse incentives make for perverse outcomes. If they aren't expressed as cardiac arrest statistics they'll be expressed in other ways.

Finally, you don't know the meaning of the word "we." We implies you and others for whom you have been given permission to speak, not drug manufacturers and the folks who they pay to run their studies. Stop speaking for people other than yourself when you have no permission to do so.

So you're saying they have no idea if the drug is doing something or not. That gives us a lot more confidence....