Macchia has already been tested for drugs by USADA four times and she is still in high school. How is it possible that some 23-yo "professional" runners have never been tested yet? Why does USADA avoid testing certain runners and instead goes after high schoolers?
Because Macchia has been on USATF U20 teams.
So why has Pro Tuohy, according to other threads, never been tested??
Those three other girls each won two national xc championships. Sadie has never finished higher than 10th. Course records are nice, but what really matters is winning championships. Sadie still has a way to go to be considered the "best ever" xc runner from California.
Cut out this nonsense. It still needs to be understood by the ignorant that the way the cross-country season is scheduled, California runners are at a great disadvantage going into the postseason because
(1) they don’t get a week off, pre-nats, unlike most of the rest of the country;
(2) the racing schedule right up to Natty’s is typically brutal, with brutal competition.
The poster you responded to was comparing Sadie to other CA runners. Is she any at any more of a disadvantage than Lane, Baxter and Hasay were - all of whom won 2 national titles?
Sadie may end up being the greatest female HS miler of all time, but she will never be considered among the all-time XC greats without a national title.
Looking like it will be sloppy in Portland as usual on the 7th. Who will handle the conditions the best (forecast is daily rain starting 12/4) ? I think the boys run 2nd this year.
Looking like it will be sloppy in Portland as usual on the 7th. Who will handle the conditions the best (forecast is daily rain starting 12/4) ? I think the boys run 2nd this year.
Blade will be battling Holly Barker hard at Woodward Park this weekend. Maybe she ought to bail on NXN and save it for FootLocker, and let Trabuco Hills, Sadie and Jane throw down at NXN.
Cut out this nonsense. It still needs to be understood by the ignorant that the way the cross-country season is scheduled, California runners are at a great disadvantage going into the postseason because
(1) they don’t get a week off, pre-nats, unlike most of the rest of the country;
(2) the racing schedule right up to Natty’s is typically brutal, with brutal competition.
The poster you responded to was comparing Sadie to other CA runners. Is she any at any more of a disadvantage than Lane, Baxter and Hasay were - all of whom won 2 national titles?
Sadie may end up being the greatest female HS miler of all time, but she will never be considered among the all-time XC greats without a national title.
Sadie took down Claudia Lane’s Woodward Park record; nuff said.
Looking like it will be sloppy in Portland as usual on the 7th. Who will handle the conditions the best (forecast is daily rain starting 12/4) ? I think the boys run 2nd this year.
Current wunderground forecast is a little less than 50% chance of rain starting 12/4, but maybe for Portland that means it’s definitely going to rain?🤷🏼♂️
The poster you responded to was comparing Sadie to other CA runners. Is she any at any more of a disadvantage than Lane, Baxter and Hasay were - all of whom won 2 national titles?
Sadie may end up being the greatest female HS miler of all time, but she will never be considered among the all-time XC greats without a national title.
Sadie took down Claudia Lane’s Woodward Park record; nuff said.
Even if Englehardt wins NXN this year, very much doubt anyone will consider her amongst the all-time great hs girls xc runners.
Tuohy stands alone as the GOAT; Melody Fairchild is the only other name in that conversation. A few others have won multiple national titles. Sadie would simply fall into that 3rd tier of runners with one national title.
Sadie will be remembered as one of the all-time great California hs girls xc runners, regardless of what happens from here on out.
However, with 4 Foot Locker appearances and 2 national titles -- coupled with her immense national popularity and influence on other young female distance runners at the time -- Jordan Hasay's place at the top of the CA GOAT podium remains secure.
Sadie took down Claudia Lane’s Woodward Park record; nuff said.
Even if Englehardt wins NXN this year, very much doubt anyone will consider her amongst the all-time great hs girls xc runners.
Tuohy stands alone as the GOAT; Melody Fairchild is the only other name in that conversation. A few others have won multiple national titles. Sadie would simply fall into that 3rd tier of runners with one national title.
Sadie will be remembered as one of the all-time great California hs girls xc runners, regardless of what happens from here on out.
However, with 4 Foot Locker appearances and 2 national titles -- coupled with her immense national popularity and influence on other young female distance runners at the time -- Jordan Hasay's place at the top of the CA GOAT podium remains secure.
Bullcrap. Tuohy competed in a weak era. But you obviously drink the speedrating kookaide.
A 15:50 5k is equivalent to a 15:14 3mile, per Daniels’ VDOT calculator. Blade ‘only’ ran a 15:20 3mile at Woodbridge.
I watched a video on the race (TRP, I believe) and they gave mile splits. I think they were 5:04, 5:11 and 5:02; that's 15:17 en-route.
Running the numbers (after converting to 1600m equivalents) through a pace optimizer only had her 4-5 seconds faster with completely even pace.
Watching Hedengren’s recent race, that Mesa Arizona golf course may very well run faster than Woodbridge, considering Woodbridge had tighter turns, which can make a difference where the athletes are wearing high stack shoes (cornering stability) in both races.
Even if Englehardt wins NXN this year, very much doubt anyone will consider her amongst the all-time great hs girls xc runners.
Tuohy stands alone as the GOAT; Melody Fairchild is the only other name in that conversation. A few others have won multiple national titles. Sadie would simply fall into that 3rd tier of runners with one national title.
Sadie will be remembered as one of the all-time great California hs girls xc runners, regardless of what happens from here on out.
However, with 4 Foot Locker appearances and 2 national titles -- coupled with her immense national popularity and influence on other young female distance runners at the time -- Jordan Hasay's place at the top of the CA GOAT podium remains secure.
Bullcrap. Tuohy competed in a weak era. But you obviously drink the speedrating kookaide.
Some also note she has the course record almost everywhere she ran and most of those records by a wide margin. And as you note running basically without competition in a different era. But, this thread is not about Tuohy and let's leave it that way.
Those three other girls each won two national xc championships. Sadie has never finished higher than 10th. Course records are nice, but what really matters is winning championships. Sadie still has a way to go to be considered the "best ever" xc runner from California.
Cut out this nonsense. It still needs to be understood by the ignorant that the way the cross-country season is scheduled, California runners are at a great disadvantage going into the postseason because
(1) they don’t get a week off, pre-nats, unlike most of the rest of the country;
(2) the racing schedule right up to Natty’s is typically brutal, with brutal competition.
You're an idiot who has poor reading comprehension. All 4 of the girls that I was talking about are from California.
You should spend more time reading and understanding the comments you respond to and less time calling other people "ignorant" when it's actually you who have no idea what you're talking about. Learn how to read!
I think what’s most notable is that Jane Hedengren ran the first half of her season under the weather. Her 3m time at Woodbridge was 15:36 and her 5k time at NXR SW was 15:50. Difference of 14 seconds.
If we compare others who ran both Woodbridge 3m vs NXR Southwest 5k: Payton Meineke: 15:58 / 17:10 Tessa Walter: 16:14 / 17:21 Jordan Banta: 16:26 / 17:28 (Not including Lily Adler due to injury)
The average difference is about 1:07.
Subtracting 1:00 from 15:50 gets us 14:50. It’s crazy to think about but… if Hedengren had been healthy at Woodbridge, could she have run the first sub-15 3m time in HS girls history? It seems impossible, yet…
Nah. Not sub 15. No way a clean hs girl could do that.
The poster you responded to was comparing Sadie to other CA runners. Is she any at any more of a disadvantage than Lane, Baxter and Hasay were - all of whom won 2 national titles?
Sadie may end up being the greatest female HS miler of all time, but she will never be considered among the all-time XC greats without a national title.
Sadie took down Claudia Lane’s Woodward Park record; nuff said.
Cross country is much more about winning races than it is about times. Winning a national xc championship is much better than setting a course record.
Even if Englehardt wins NXN this year, very much doubt anyone will consider her amongst the all-time great hs girls xc runners.
Tuohy stands alone as the GOAT; Melody Fairchild is the only other name in that conversation. A few others have won multiple national titles. Sadie would simply fall into that 3rd tier of runners with one national title.
Sadie will be remembered as one of the all-time great California hs girls xc runners, regardless of what happens from here on out.
However, with 4 Foot Locker appearances and 2 national titles -- coupled with her immense national popularity and influence on other young female distance runners at the time -- Jordan Hasay's place at the top of the CA GOAT podium remains secure.
Bullcrap. Tuohy competed in a weak era. But you obviously drink the speedrating kookaide.
Touhy's 16;21 at Holmdel, is the best female HS run ever recorded, ask any knowledgeable person. Look at CBA's 6-7 at NJ MOC, those guys are sub 4:20 and 9:20 guys.
Bullcrap. Tuohy competed in a weak era. But you obviously drink the speedrating kookaide.
Touhy's 16;21 at Holmdel, is the best female HS run ever recorded, ask any knowledgeable person. Look at CBA's 6-7 at NJ MOC, those guys are sub 4:20 and 9:20 guys.
Down voting of this post shows a complete lack of understanding of how much more difficult Holmdel is than these speedway courses. So be it.
Nah. Not sub 15. No way a clean hs girl could do that.
Zola Budd ran a WR 15:01 at age 17 about 40 years ago, and she did it barefoot. I'm not saying Hedengren could do it but it is not out of the realm of possibility for a HSer, especially in the era of super shoes and faster tracks.
Nah. Not sub 15. No way a clean hs girl could do that.
Zola Budd ran a WR 15:01 at age 17 about 40 years ago, and she did it barefoot. I'm not saying Hedengren could do it but it is not out of the realm of possibility for a HSer, especially in the era of super shoes and faster tracks.
The comment you responded to wasn't talking about a 5k on a track, it was talking about a 3 mile xc race. That's a totally different thing.
H'm. I know the usual downvoters are at work, but Chmiel was definitely on the high school all decade team. Four top 5 nxn finishes. Twice a convincing runner-up to Tuohy. Won the 2018 Great Edinburgh race against the top junior European runners, beating the likes of Battolcletti, Keith, Lau, as well as Americans such as Claudia Lane. Went on to be an 11X all-American and finished 3rd at the Ncca xc championship.