What? You are wrong. The driver thing for example is straight from the horse's mouth, and the gofundme scam was public. You are poorly informed as always, Rekrunner.
BTW why didn't you donate over $5,000? Rich letsrunner and all-time Shelburrito supporter lol.
She's still a fraud. Hope she gets booed like Gatlin.
The problem is that that apparently our whole nation is full of frauds and liars.
So why does this board get off on going after Shelby in a million threads when literally every politician, celebrity, or athlete is a flawed or terrible person?
Why do people here hate her so much more than all the other people you've accused of doping? There is no relation to the offense and the amount of hate she gets.
It is out of proportion.
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Disagree, an athlete caught doping should be banned for life and stripped of all titles and medals. At this point I don’t even know why an elite athlete, particularly if they’re on the bubble for making teams/ medaling, wouldn’t cheat. You probably won’t ever get caught, and even if you do, you still keep all the money you made and can just get a real job after a minor punishment and some hate on Instagram. Honestly, you can just skip tests and make up a ridiculous excuse for why and never face any consequences.
Good, keep your own list of banned (by you) athletes.
LOL. There was no such donation. And did forget already? You just trolled me with "She earned nothing after".... keep trolling though. Maybe suggest that the nandro was actually really in the burrito?
Oh man. Not with the childish "hater" thing again.
"out of proportion"? These threads only keep growing because some trolls have to keep lying for this drug cheat, and call the anti-doping posters "haters".
If you doper lovers would do the same for say, Kiprop over and over and over again, the Kiprop threads would get just as long.
Shelby back! Can't wait to see this talented athlete back in action. All the haters will be seething 🙂
Shelby will be 32 on February 8th. Her best days as a track athlete are now behind her. She has absolutely no chance now of being a global medalist. That is the price she has paid as an athlete. Shelby might be able to make a World Championship team but she will not make an Olympic team, as she will be too old.
This. She's finished as a world-class athlete. She's missed two Olympics now, and will be 36 when she gets her next shot, too old for the track. I suppose she could pivot to roads and longer distances, but I'm wondering if she'll be blackballed here. If I were a race organizer, I certainly wouldn't allow her to compete in my race, certainly not with the elites vying for prize money and/or race qualifiers.
Disagree, an athlete caught doping should be banned for life and stripped of all titles and medals. At this point I don’t even know why an elite athlete, particularly if they’re on the bubble for making teams/ medaling, wouldn’t cheat. You probably won’t ever get caught, and even if you do, you still keep all the money you made and can just get a real job after a minor punishment and some hate on Instagram. Honestly, you can just skip tests and make up a ridiculous excuse for why and never face any consequences.
you should really listen to her talk about what it's been like after getting busted. she went from being a pro athlete with Nike paying her bills to being flat broke, having to move back in with her parents and drive an Uber to make money. not to mention years of embarrassment and shame. what she went thru should scare the sh!t out of any runner considering doping. she's a cautionary tale.
Should I feel sorry for her for being busted after she cheated?
Really? I think that all sports have this same problem. So why is it that only running is unable to accept that (most) people who get banned will eventually come back?
I fully accept that people like Lance Armstrong who lied 500 times, sued the people who told the truth, and ruined people's lives should be banned for life. I get that. But what about the young guy whose manager or coach pressures him to "try it" after an injury, gets popped, admits it, does his time and moves on?
Are all doping cases the same to you? I think there is a reason we have "degrees" of punishment for crimes. Crimes are not all the same - 1st degree murder is worse than manslaughter.
Isn't it the same with doping?
Lance may have lied 500 times but eventually came clean.
Shelby lied five hundred times and is still lying. She is more deserving of a lifetime ban than Lance.
But I agree with PP. They both deserve a lifetime ban.
Lance never came clean. he just admitted to the ones there were overwhelming evidence about. he never admitted anything not known, he was doping from at least 1996 and after 2005.
Shelbo will do great. She's been training at a high level since her ban. Now she can get back out and probably will get paid BIG since so many eyes will be on her. I hope her agent is doing her justice rn
#1- Taking toxic drugs has never been proven to improve anyone's performance compared to completely natural training;
#2- Simple logic is that the claim that drugs are a magic potion is a fairy tale;
#3- Houlihan was never proven to have taken any drugs anyway, but simply was unable to "prove" that she didn't, which no one ever would be able to prove.
The idiotic standard of having to prove one's innocence should be done away with.
You either have to prove that someone is guilty, or else they remain innocent. Period.
Therefore, Houlihan is innocent because she has never been proven to be guilty.
#1- Taking toxic drugs has never been proven to improve anyone's performance compared to completely natural training;
#2- Simple logic is that the claim that drugs are a magic potion is a fairy tale;
#3- Houlihan was never proven to have taken any drugs anyway, but simply was unable to "prove" that she didn't, which no one ever would be able to prove.
The idiotic standard of having to prove one's innocence should be done away with.
You either have to prove that someone is guilty, or else they remain innocent. Period.
Therefore, Houlihan is innocent because she has never been proven to be guilty.
Shelby has dirt on Nike so they will continue to implicitly or explicitly support her. Mike Smith has already shown poor judgement by coaching Galen with all his baggage. Oddly enough Galen is going to transition to being a Nike backed-USATF funded talking head once he fully retires.
Part of the big executive shakeup at Nike was ensuring they could continue to support supplementing their elite athletes in ways they see fit. Mark Parker was heavily involved, Donahoe being an outsider not so much and his risk-averse management style was very uncomfortable with the moral entanglements Nike was involved in. It helped that he read the business completely wrong and lost people money.
No surprise they bring a 30+ year vet in Hill out of retirement to serve as the new CEO. Places like Nike can only thrive by promoting from within, through years of indoctrination. Abuse and ruthlessness thrives in insular communities and can only survive through a continued isolationist approach to management.
For those who legitimately think she’s clean: in your mind, what are the odds that her story is true? 10%? 50%? 75% Why do you think she’s clean based on the odds of her story being factual?
At the time of her ban, there was a lot of discussion about the factuality of her story. I heard many estimate the odds of all the components of her story occurring to be less than 1% odds. More like 1 in a million. It’s basically like the most impossible parlay ever conceived—and somehow it hit?
Can you see why people are so skeptical? And the problem now is, an incredible amount of doubt has now been sown into the anti-doping system. With all the “botched” cases we hear about, can we ever trust anti-doping? This is the problem with Shelby. We need to be realistic about her case. I have nothing against her personally, but the whole thing seems very strange.
an athlete caught doping should be banned for life and stripped of all titles and medals. At this point I don’t even know why an elite athlete, particularly if they’re on the bubble for making teams/ medaling, wouldn’t cheat. You probably won’t ever get caught, and even if you do, you still keep all the money you made
Indeed.
The real question is if Nike kept paying her this whole time.
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