Rodgers ran 2:10 in New York one week sooner than this year, as NYC was earlier, and the first non-park course that year had you run up stairs, for one thing. Billy also had to run through a mess of fans and parked cars the last 100 or so. Those Tigers weren't Super Shoes.
Mantz needs to run faster. I'll give CJ a break, he's the real baller.
My consistent. He'll never win one of these things but it's nice have an American who doesn't underperform half the time.
Agree. In NYC, I don't focus on the time, but look at how close he was to the leaders, which was pretty close. I don't think he has the talent Shorter, Rodgers, or Salazar had, but the guy gives it his all every time.
Rodgers ran 2:10 in New York one week sooner than this year, as NYC was earlier, and the first non-park course that year had you run up stairs, for one thing. Billy also had to run through a mess of fans and parked cars the last 100 or so. Those Tigers weren't Super Shoes.
Mantz needs to run faster. I'll give CJ a break, he's the real baller.
exactly this. Mantz has run 27 flat for 10k and 45 flat for 10 miles and he's running the same marathon times as Bill Rodgers, who ran in sh*tty shoes and was much slower and shorter distances
My consistent. He'll never win one of these things but it's nice have an American who doesn't underperform half the time.
The WOMANS WORLD RECORD is 2:09.
He can barely beat a woman’s time. He sucks. If you can’t run 2:04 or faster you are an “also-ran” or “hobby jogger”
2:09 is obviously very fast but it is an interesting point. Looking at Women's track records, we wouldn't spend two seconds talking about a guy who ran 3:49 or 1:53.
It's obvious the gap between women and men is much smaller the longer the distance gets.
This is Mantz's 4th marathon in like 13 months - two of them being highly emotional endeavors (Trials and Olympics)...He and Clayton have gotta becooked, physically and emotionally. The fact they went out and had a solid run is incredibly impressive.
I think Mantz is on the verge of a big breakthrough
Intolerant of the Mormon faith, who have posed no real threat to them or their families.
Hates BYU athletes and posts toxic comments (anonymously), 363 days per year.
The two days per year that our two top marathoners, ironically BYU alums, are relevant in races like the Olympics or NYC, they praise them and love them, even though they said they’d be worthless as pros when the were in college.
It’s like the guys who talk crap about someone successful in their community, and then when the successful guy enters the restaurant they go up and shake their hand and tell them how much they respect them.
I am a Mantz and Young fan and love the way they work and train together, that being said a 2:09 when the Women's record is 2:09.56...difficult to get too excited about finishing places if at least not on the podium.
Rodgers ran 2:10 in New York one week sooner than this year, as NYC was earlier, and the first non-park course that year had you run up stairs, for one thing. Billy also had to run through a mess of fans and parked cars the last 100 or so. Those Tigers weren't Super Shoes.
Mantz needs to run faster. I'll give CJ a break, he's the real baller.
exactly this. Mantz has run 27 flat for 10k and 45 flat for 10 miles and he's running the same marathon times as Bill Rodgers, who ran in sh*tty shoes and was much slower and shorter distances
He's not running the same marathon times as Rodgers. Mantz is 206 minimum, maybe 205 on a flat course. Mantz ran 2:08:12 on the hill AF Paris Olympic course. Rodgers never broke 2:10.
Great. Yes the Women's WR is fast. But how fast would Ruth have run in NYC? That would be the real comparison. Very silly to be disinterested bc someone barely runs below the women's WR in a completely different (and more challenging) course.
I am a Mantz and Young fan and love the way they work and train together, that being said a 2:09 when the Women's record is 2:09.56...difficult to get too excited about finishing places if at least not on the podium.
It is OK to say I can't get excited about a 2:09. Totally fair, it isn't an exciting time even with a major negative split/tough course, nor is the 2:08:12 Mantz ran even on the ridiculously hard Paris Olympics course. It's OK to not want to do the mental gymnastics of comparing to a time in a perfectly flat, rabbited race. It's also OK to not be pumped about finishing 6th and 7th, even if it was an unusually deep NYC field and the winning margin was pretty modest. Or 8th in the Olympics, which is quite good.
Where you lose anyone with a brain is comparing times across completely different marathons. Look at the winning time for the women yesterday. The discouraging thing yesterday was not the time, but more Mantz we hear is smoking Young in workouts, yet is closer to him than a very good (but not great) marathoner like Albert Korir. That's the sort of guy you need to beat to land on a podium.
In 1981, Salazar set an apparent world record at the New York City Marathon of 2:08:13, surpassing the 12-year-old mark of 2:08:33 set by Australian Derek Clayton in 1969 in Antwerp, Belgium. However, the course was found on re-measurement to be about 148 meters short of the 42.195 kilometers (26 miles, 385 yards) distance. This is equivalent to about 27 seconds.
Add the 27 seconds to his 2:08:13 and you get 2:08:40
As remember, the official certified course wasn't short -- but a lead motorcycle led him onto some grass, which amounted to a shortcut. So yes, he ran a short course, absolutely.
But the fault lies with the lead vehicle, not the organizers.
Rodgers ran 2:10 in New York one week sooner than this year, as NYC was earlier, and the first non-park course that year had you run up stairs, for one thing. Billy also had to run through a mess of fans and parked cars the last 100 or so. Those Tigers weren't Super Shoes.
Mantz needs to run faster. I'll give CJ a break, he's the real baller.
exactly this. Mantz has run 27 flat for 10k and 45 flat for 10 miles and he's running the same marathon times as Bill Rodgers, who ran in sh*tty shoes and was much slower and shorter distances
Mantz has run, 27:25.23 … with super shoes.
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Get an actual 10000 pr
exactly this. Mantz has run 27 flat for 10k and 45 flat for 10 miles and he's running the same marathon times as Bill Rodgers, who ran in sh*tty shoes and was much slower and shorter distances
He's not running the same marathon times as Rodgers. Mantz is 206 minimum, maybe 205 on a flat course. Mantz ran 2:08:12 on the hill AF Paris Olympic course. Rodgers never broke 2:10.
exactly this. Mantz has run 27 flat for 10k and 45 flat for 10 miles and he's running the same marathon times as Bill Rodgers, who ran in sh*tty shoes and was much slower and shorter distances
He's not running the same marathon times as Rodgers. Mantz is 206 minimum, maybe 205 on a flat course. Mantz ran 2:08:12 on the hill AF Paris Olympic course. Rodgers never broke 2:10.
Rodgers ran 2:09:27 and 2:09:55 in what would be considered slippers today.
1976 NYC (2:10:10) ;
1976 Sado Island, Japan (2:08:23) 1st CR (200 meters short) probably worth 2:09:00.
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Additional details of his marathon bests
In 1981? I think the only thing we doped ourselves with back then was blood.
Actually blood doping is and was very performance enhancing....even more so than epo if done correctly. And it wasn't illegal yet. (1986)
Ask Peter Coe. Also ask the entire 1984 US Olympic cycling squad. Again, it wasn't yet illegal but it was not at all uncommon, and if you believe the rumors of the time, was definitely a part of t&f in the late 70s and early 80s.
exactly this. Mantz has run 27 flat for 10k and 45 flat for 10 miles and he's running the same marathon times as Bill Rodgers, who ran in sh*tty shoes and was much slower and shorter distances
He's not running the same marathon times as Rodgers. Mantz is 206 minimum, maybe 205 on a flat course. Mantz ran 2:08:12 on the hill AF Paris Olympic course. Rodgers never broke 2:10.