I ran 80MPW in college as did my 35 teammates. So did thousands of other D3 guys at the time but none broke 14. My PR is 16:37. Some guys on my team didn't break 17.
Running 80 mpw to run 16:37 is crazy
I feel like the bigger thing here is how runners with inborn "speed talent" benefit so quickly from mileage alone, whereas other runners who can easily eat up the miles but struggle to develop speed (me) could run for many weeks on end at 80mpw and never break 16:00 without a bunch of focused speed work.
Obviously a good coaching program addresses both, but just as obviously, some athletes slip through the cracks or simply need things their programs/coaches didn't address.
I ran 80MPW in college as did my 35 teammates. So did thousands of other D3 guys at the time but none broke 14. My PR is 16:37. Some guys on my team didn't break 17.
Running 80 mpw to run 16:37 is crazy
As it turns out, some people simply enjoy running for running's sake. That, and they enjoy pushing themselves to their personal limits -- whether their 5K PR is sub-14 or 16:37 is irrelevant.
50th best NCAA Division I runner ran 13:43 last year. I guarantee that there are far more Division I football players who can bench 400+ pounds than there are guys who can run sub-14:00.
I guess the average healthy male can easily bench over 400 pounds.
There's massive diminishing returns on mileage and there's nothing magical about 70 to 80 miles. If someone's running 50 mpw and running 17 minutes, that bit extra is not going to drop them 3 minutes down to a 14. It's unlikely to get them 1 minute realistically.
A lot of people look at cause and effect back to front. They look at the high mileage runners and see that most of them are really quick. But it's more likely that they became high mileage runners because they were already very quick and were motivated to do so because of this.
Someone doing 50 miles a week and running 22 minutes is less likely to be so motivated to up their mileage to 70 or 80 when it might get them a 21:30.
There is a take somewhere in here that I'd like to agree with, but there is not enough nuance in the OP to make me think he meant it.
I think an average, healthy, young male, could run sub-14 if they were fully dedicated from age 14-24. Like Jakob level dedicated, with Jakob level support. Of course, that's not really an average person anymore. I do like to think that everyone outside of the highest echelon could run a lot faster than they think they could.
The OOP was obviously a troll, but the fact that you appear to be serious makes me automatically discount every other take you've ever said.
agree with the OP, but would like to further clarify
the avg healthy young male should not just be able to run faster than the womens 5000 WR, they should be able to best the womens WR at every distance
Do you know how fast the women's WR times are? Like, a sub-2:10 marathon?
it is actually insane that people are taking the op seriously
it is an obvious low effort troll job
there is literally no man alive that could match the women's WR across the spectrum
*i'd also like to note the mods are absolute p.ssies deleting my comment about how the avg male should also exceed the highest ever women's iq on record; tf is wrong with you guys? literally get offended at everything even when it's obviously sarcasm in a thread that is bs from the start
To build up to running 70-80 miles a week would take a couple years build-up, by which time 75% would quit and 15% would be injured. Me thinks you be a troll (or delusional)
To build up to running 70-80 miles a week would take a couple years build-up, by which time 75% would quit and 15% would be injured. Me thinks you be a troll (or delusional)
Anyone who is motivated to run 75-80mpw, is going to stay with it. You seem to have a negative opinion of distance runners. Did you quit?
There is a take somewhere in here that I'd like to agree with, but there is not enough nuance in the OP to make me think he meant it.
I think an average, healthy, young male, could run sub-14 if they were fully dedicated from age 14-24. Like Jakob level dedicated, with Jakob level support. Of course, that's not really an average person anymore. I do like to think that everyone outside of the highest echelon could run a lot faster than they think they could.
To run under 14 minutes.... You are going to likely need at LEAST 70 ml/kg/min V02...
90% of "healthy, young adult males" will never achieve a 70 ml/kg/min V02 max no matter how long, no matter how hard, or no matter how many miles they trained.
You could have every resource and motivation that Jakob has... But if you don't have the genetics...It ain't happening.
It's not difficult at all. Only takes 70-80 mpw. Discus.
Misleading. If you meant "average male" who has been running 70-80 mis per wk for some monts or years, then ok.But its an extraordinary young teen male who runs that kind of mileage. Your average American boy who doesnt run regularly would be hard-pressed to run 20 min, and most lkely have ahard time even finishing. Maybe 25 minutes for the ones not overweight.