It’s not accurate to say toxic shock syndrome is from using a tampon! That term is broader and there can be many risk factors/causes, tampons are just one.... Did it say something in either article about this or elsewhere that I missed?
yeah, you did miss something. Per the article, it said the source was likely the vagina. Did you even read the article? It's like you made a comment, without even reading it the article first.
DailyMail.com wrote:
According to the Centers for Disease Control, the source of the killer bacteria is 'likely the vagina, which is known to be colonized with Clostridium species in some females'.
The track star's death was ruled 'natural' after her cause of death was discovered.
Yes, so like I said, no reference to it. Saying that CDC says a source of that bacterium is “likely the vagina” is not the same thing, and is what I meant when I said there is no reference to it being from a tampon or similar at all, except an unrelated quote saying that’s often a vaginal bacterium when it is colonised (which is not actually the same as being infected).
A 19-year-old US Air Force Academy cadet who was found unconscious in her Colorado dorm room last month died of pneumonia, which could have been cured with penicillin.
autopsy said "Avery Koonce, 19, of Tyler, Texas, died Sept. 4 as the result of “paeniclostridium sordelli sepsis complicating parainfluenza laryngotraceobronchitis......”"
you folks have your cause and effect mixed up. as my previous post (deleted for no good reason) stated, she got the virus -- which causes upper respiratory infections, croup, bronchitis, pneumonia -- and then got a secondary bacterial infection causing sepsis. ergo an autopsy saying the bacteria complicated the virus. “In essence she died of untreated pneumonia,” said a pathologist who read the autopsy.
sometimes when you get sick, your immune system is depressed, and you get a secondary infection on the rebound.
you get HPIV from air droplets, surfaces, swapping spit with someone. kind of like coronavirus. that's the primary infection.
you are correct that the complicating bacteria infection can come from vaginal microbiome but also soil or her GI tract. but per the autopsy, she's getting the bacterial infection because she already had pneumonia and was very ill and then some minor GI or vaginal thing just cuts loose with her immunosurpressed and likely in her dorm of a hospital hacking up a lung.
toxic shock syndrome is not just a tampon thing, though it is popularly associated with it. one way to get TSS used to be staph associated with using certain kinds of tampons. but they quit making a lot of those. but this girl didn't have staph. it can also happen from strep or paeniclostridium sordelli. the latter is more about menstruation in general than a tampon.
in any case, TSS is more of a broad brush situation like sepsis. it's basically saying the bacteria got in your blood in volume and released toxins. those toxins can make you sick or kill you. one way it used to happen was the tampon thing, but TSS is more an explanation of a situation than just the tampon thing.
to me it is less likely that someone very sick with pneumonia died of a tampon hygiene issue. think about it a minute. to me it's more likely someone that young age and athletic at USAFA in that regimented life of class and dress and marching and sports tried to tough it out when they got sick, and by the time they or someone else figured out they were bad, it got ugly, and they got a secondary infection, TSS, sepsis, died.
toxic shock syndrome is not just a tampon thing, though it is popularly associated with it. one way to get TSS used to be staph associated with using certain kinds of tampons. but they quit making a lot of those. but this girl didn't have staph. it can also happen from strep or paeniclostridium sordelli. the latter is more about menstruation in general than a tampon.
in any case, TSS is more of a broad brush situation like sepsis. it's basically saying the bacteria got in your blood in volume and released toxins. those toxins can make you sick or kill you. one way it used to happen was the tampon thing, but TSS is more an explanation of a situation than just the tampon thing.
As a grad, I can say with experience that nearly everyone who returns from Basic Cadet Training in Jack's Valley has what is lovingly referred to as "Jack's Hack". The whole freshman class is coughing for 3-4 weeks as they work the dust out out of their systems... sinus infections, bronchitis, and pneumonia are super common. I feel horrible for this young lady and her teammates. No one thinks the coughing is overly concerning. It's just what everyone is dealing with. I'm sure there are several 19-21 year old upperclassmen who are feeling gutted for not taking her symptoms more serious. Hope they are talking to someone/taking care of each other. #thisSucks.
The increased popularity of Mud runs, warrior dashes, spartan runs, etc. People get exposed to all sorts of stuff wallowing around in mud like a farm animal. You get some of that stuff in your eyes, ears, nose, etc. it can be deadly. It would be consistent with what the cadets are going through at that part of their career. Add in the stressors of cadet life and it is a misfortunate accident.
I read somewhere that as kids it is good that kids wallow around in mud because it trains our immune systems at an early age with exposure to different sorts of bacteria. Issue would be someone doing a mud run who spent most of their upbringing in a very sanitary environment. So their bodies will tend to overreact, similar to how an allergen causes an overreaction into people who are intolerant.
It's good to expose your kids to peanut butter at a very early age for this reason as well. It used to be thought that early peanut butter exposure caused peanut allergies but science has shown that it's the opposite/
Thank You Dr. Jawan T 22. Your source of "I read somewhere..." is very compelling and sounds completely legitimate... Please take your unregistered credentials and Karen conspiracy theories to your local Nextdoor.com chat room.
I read somewhere that as kids it is good that kids wallow around in mud because it trains our immune systems at an early age with exposure to different sorts of bacteria. Issue would be someone doing a mud run who spent most of their upbringing in a very sanitary environment. So their bodies will tend to overreact, similar to how an allergen causes an overreaction into people who are intolerant.
It's good to expose your kids to peanut butter at a very early age for this reason as well. It used to be thought that early peanut butter exposure caused peanut allergies but science has shown that it's the opposite/
Thank You Dr. Jawan T 22. Your source of "I read somewhere..." is very compelling and sounds completely legitimate... Please take your unregistered credentials and Karen conspiracy theories to your local Nextdoor.com chat room.
Considering Jawan's upvote to downvote ratio, his argument is more compelling than your non-argument.
This is scary, because it could form from a little cut, or even tooth infection. I was on a hiking trip on the Appalachian Trail, when an undisclosed tooth infection hit me like 3/4 of the way through the 200 section we were hiking. I managed to get pain killers and sucked it up, but on the last day and the road trip home I literally fell unconscious and the managed to get me to an oral surgeon. He told me my whole baby was septic and if I had waited any longer I might not have made it. All from a tooth infection and I was young only 29 at the time.
