I must say that watching xc college meets on Youtube has become unsettling and predictable recently. You just know that after the first couple kilometers a pack will form of sort of grizzled looking veteran runners. I hesitate to add but must that they are darker skinned and appear to be somewhat coordinated in a group. Profiling is not my game; Im offering an impression. Please disabuse me of the idea that overseas recruiting and unfair practices are involved! The young guys in the chase pack seem to have befuddled and futility-tinged expressions. The outcomes are predictable.
The collegiate record in the 1500m is held by Eliud Kipsang, who 24 at the time. Prior to that Yared Nuguse had the record at age 21, and the high school record was faster than that.
Eliud was 25 when he set the record. The issue isn't just that he was 25 years old but that he was 25 years old and still had more eligibility.
The collegiate record in the 1500m is held by Eliud Kipsang, who 24 at the time. Prior to that Yared Nuguse had the record at age 21, and the high school record was faster than that.
Eliud was 25 when he set the record. The issue isn't just that he was 25 years old but that he was 25 years old and still had more eligibility.
The point is that there are Americans who are running essentially as fast (including a high schooler). One of them got a medal at the Olympics and the other was 5th (and skipped the NCAA because it wasn't competitive enough for him).
If the NCAA wants to put age restrictions on competitors I am perfectly fine with that.
If we want to go full nationalist and say only american citizens can compete in the NCAA that would be weird but I guess they can do it if they want.
But as long as the rules are what they are, people need to stop whining and train the teams they have.
There is nothing "weird" about wanting the NATIONAL Collegiate Athletic Accociation to primarily serve the interests of American kids and their parents. The scholarships given to foreign athletes are a generous gift from the American taxpayer, they are not an entitlement. This gift has been abused by laugable age cheating, doping, and most importantly American kids having their opportunities stolen from them, and as such we are well within our rights to retract it. The NCAA was not intended to be, is not, and ought not to be a free Olympic training program for the third world.
This I could agree with, but if that's the position, the whole collegiate system (including outside athletics) needs to be revamped. Have you set foot in an engineering school in America? Almost entirely foreign students.
It is what it is. I was simply stating that Americans sacked up and met the challenge they faced in NCAA running, instead of whining about it and giving up like many of the people of my generation. I can't tell you the number of heated arguments I got in back in the 90s with people who didn't believe western runners could compete anymore. Thank God our current crop of athletes don't think like that.
There is nothing "weird" about wanting the NATIONAL Collegiate Athletic Accociation to primarily serve the interests of American kids and their parents. The scholarships given to foreign athletes are a generous gift from the American taxpayer, they are not an entitlement. This gift has been abused by laugable age cheating, doping, and most importantly American kids having their opportunities stolen from them, and as such we are well within our rights to retract it. The NCAA was not intended to be, is not, and ought not to be a free Olympic training program for the third world.
This I could agree with, but if that's the position, the whole collegiate system (including outside athletics) needs to be revamped. Have you set foot in an engineering school in America? Almost entirely foreign students.
It is what it is. I was simply stating that Americans sacked up and met the challenge they faced in NCAA running, instead of whining about it and giving up like many of the people of my generation. I can't tell you the number of heated arguments I got in back in the 90s with people who didn't believe western runners could compete anymore. Thank God our current crop of athletes don't think like that.
I do think this is a fair point worth addressing. I will agree with you that the foreign athletes do probably make the top end of the NCAA more competitive, and I too am glad that we are finally competitive on a worldwide scale again. And honestly, it isn't even so much the top foreigners winning NCAA titles I am concerned about.
What worries me is the countless number of 13:50-14:30ish American men (and 4:10ish/9:00ish high schoolers) who will be cut from teams, get smaller scholarships, or never attend college at all because their spot was taken by a foreigner. I am not saying every 15 minute 5ker deserves a D1 spot either, but there are some state schools with almost an entire non-American roster and that is an injustice to me.
None of these guys will likely be pros, and so for me I want as many young Amercian men to get a college scholarship as possible. (again, taking about our top 9:00ish 3200 schoolers, who currently have to compete with men who could almost be their fathers for scholarship money). Each one of these scholarships is an American dream that we are choosing to ship overseas in a time where it's hard enough to be a young man.
Regarding your point about academics, that is fair but we do have much better "tarrif" system to handle that with the in state/out of state tuition system, and the fact that international students are generally not eligible for the same academic scholarships as American freshman. Also, these spots are not finite in the same mens track or cross country roster spots are. No American man is going to be kicked out of Engineering school to make room for a foreigner, which is something that absolutely happens on the sports side.
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