a sit and kick 329 free ride guy is sketchy to lead after 1km.
the free ride 329 is really a 331 or 332 front running. at best.
and then the 329 sit and kick guy probably brings the B game, and fades uncermonously.
i cant think of decent pacing to 1300m in any 1500 wr attempt.
though there has to be some.
I think this is a great and overlooked point. There might be a handful of guys that could run a 2.45.low 1200m in a time trial (and honestly this might be a stretch) - but how many can run it the way a guy needs it to be run in a 3.25 1500m attempt? Especially for Jakob who really wants and needs something like 55.0, 55.2, 55.2 like a metronome? Not as easy as some people think.
a sit and kick 329 free ride guy is sketchy to lead after 1km.
the free ride 329 is really a 331 or 332 front running. at best.
and then the 329 sit and kick guy probably brings the B game, and fades uncermonously.
i cant think of decent pacing to 1300m in any 1500 wr attempt.
though there has to be some.
I think this is a great and overlooked point. There might be a handful of guys that could run a 2.45.low 1200m in a time trial (and honestly this might be a stretch) - but how many can run it the way a guy needs it to be run in a 3.25 1500m attempt? Especially for Jakob who really wants and needs something like 55.0, 55.2, 55.2 like a metronome? Not as easy as some people think.
The lights make this 10x easier. As long as they are programmed well and Jakob commits to the pace, all the pacers need to do is follow the blue light.
I think this is a great and overlooked point. There might be a handful of guys that could run a 2.45.low 1200m in a time trial (and honestly this might be a stretch) - but how many can run it the way a guy needs it to be run in a 3.25 1500m attempt? Especially for Jakob who really wants and needs something like 55.0, 55.2, 55.2 like a metronome? Not as easy as some people think.
The lights make this 10x easier. As long as they are programmed well and Jakob commits to the pace, all the pacers need to do is follow the blue light.
Running at WR pace for 1200 meters is a big "all".
i bet he would. that travel 6 days before a world record attempt is NOT ideal
Maybe go for the 1500 record in Paris, and if he gets it go for the mile record at Pre. If he doesn't get it in Paris, skip Pre and try again in Monaco? Idk i guess just skipping Pre is probably the right way to go, that's like a 10 hour timezone change in 6 days (more like 5 for the athlete).
The lights make this 10x easier. As long as they are programmed well and Jakob commits to the pace, all the pacers need to do is follow the blue light.
Running at WR pace for 1200 meters is a big "all".
I mean, theoretically, someone like Hoppel, Arop, or Kessler can get to 1200m in 2:45 if they went all out, obviously it's not easy. I meant that the lights take the guesswork out of pacing perfectly, there is no reason not to be able to go 55.2-55.2-55 if you have a blue light to chase around the track.
I enjoyed reading the Perfect Mile and one part I thought was interesting was that on a previous record attempt, one of Bannister’s pacers jogged and got lapped so could pace later in the race. Perhaps that strategy could be employed again if legal, albeit a lot of people wouldn’t respect the use of that strategy.
There's what he wants and then there's what he can get. Kipsang, if fit, could get him there on pace. But maybe Jakob needs to start making friends on the circuit. He was good friend with Stewy McSweyn, who then paced him to an AR, but Stewy isn't at that level anymore. Maybe he should start hanging out and playing Mario Kart with Nuguse
Not sure where this idea is coming from that Jakob has no friends on the circuit. He seems to have a good rapport with pretty much everyone not named Josh Kerr, just based on post-race interactions and listening to what others have said about him. This board is full of people who don’t know him and think he’s an a-hole, but I don’t see evidence that his competitors feel the same way.
In my opinion, the only reason guys like Nuguse or Hocker wouldn’t want to pace him is because they’d rather be sitting behind him chasing a time.
There's a difference between exchanging a bro-shake after a race and being good enough friends with someone that they'll rinse themselves to pace your world record attempt.
The options probably aren't as slim as they might seem at first glance. There's quite a few 800 guys who could run the 1000 in 2:17, then a Kipsang or R. Cheruiyot could take the final 200. It would cost a lot, but a combination of meet organisers and Nike could surely scrape together $20-30k to pay the pacers for a WR attempt.
I think this is a great and overlooked point. There might be a handful of guys that could run a 2.45.low 1200m in a time trial (and honestly this might be a stretch) - but how many can run it the way a guy needs it to be run in a 3.25 1500m attempt? Especially for Jakob who really wants and needs something like 55.0, 55.2, 55.2 like a metronome? Not as easy as some people think.
The lights make this 10x easier. As long as they are programmed well and Jakob commits to the pace, all the pacers need to do is follow the blue light.
Sure they make it considerably easier (now put into context how and why it was so hard for El G to ever reach his true potential because he never got to split an even 2.45.xx in any of his 3.26 races) - but you still need the physical ability to do it.
Let's look at it this way - when McSweyn was able to get to 1200m in 2.46.82 in that 2023 race, that was a massive outlier in terms of a pacer getting that far at a prescribed pace and McSweyn is a 3.29.5/7.28.0 guy - and he had wavelight.
We are talking someone 10-11 meters up the track on McS (that's the approx difference between 2.45.3 and 2.46.8). So okay, who is doing that? It's only really one of Hocker, Kerr, Nuguse, Tim C, maybe Komen. I think you simply have to have 3.28 ability for that and honestly you might need 3.27 chops. And don't forget there is a real skill in being able to mentally handle being at the front generating the pace and the rhythm irrespective of lights. I'm not saying one of those other big 4 couldn't do it - I'm just saying it's not as easy as it theoretically seems. This doesn't even take into account if they would want to - sacrificing a chance at their own performance for the sake of their biggest rival.
I personally think if Jakob wants (I think he needs) to get to 1200m in 2.45.5 he should be preparing to be alone after 1050-1100m at best.
Running at WR pace for 1200 meters is a big "all".
I mean, theoretically, someone like Hoppel, Arop, or Kessler can get to 1200m in 2:45 if they went all out, obviously it's not easy. I meant that the lights take the guesswork out of pacing perfectly, there is no reason not to be able to go 55.2-55.2-55 if you have a blue light to chase around the track.
You're talking like 2.45.4 is a walk in the park here pal - "just set the lights and go - easy, no guessing" - maybe you should just lace them up and do it for Jakob?
I mean, theoretically, someone like Hoppel, Arop, or Kessler can get to 1200m in 2:45 if they went all out, obviously it's not easy. I meant that the lights take the guesswork out of pacing perfectly, there is no reason not to be able to go 55.2-55.2-55 if you have a blue light to chase around the track.
You're talking like 2.45.4 is a walk in the park here pal - "just set the lights and go - easy, no guessing" - maybe you should just lace them up and do it for Jakob?
For people who run 1:41 for 800 and train aerobically, I can't see why they couldn't run 1:50 for 800 and then a 55. The extra 300 is huge from 1200 to 1500 but they could muscle through 1200
I don't think he has a good relationship with Wightman. lol
Where do you get that from? There's a difference between being disappointed in your loss and constantly talking about the person who beat you on podcasts and calling him lucky (Kerr). I've never seen him imply he actually disliked Wightman
You're talking like 2.45.4 is a walk in the park here pal - "just set the lights and go - easy, no guessing" - maybe you should just lace them up and do it for Jakob?
For people who run 1:41 for 800 and train aerobically, I can't see why they couldn't run 1:50 for 800 and then a 55. The extra 300 is huge from 1200 to 1500 but they could muscle through 1200
a 141 "aerobic" guy can run a 245 1200m, and be in the twilight zone the last 200m or so,
which is not going to be a good guy to draft off.
none of them are going to do it anyhow. or at a minimum, no 800 guy has done it in the past.
Super shoes, pacing lights, super tracks and he’s worried about pacers? Sounds like he’s already thought through his built in excuses for failure. Typical Jakobing
The lights make this 10x easier. As long as they are programmed well and Jakob commits to the pace, all the pacers need to do is follow the blue light.
Sure they make it considerably easier (now put into context how and why it was so hard for El G to ever reach his true potential because he never got to split an even 2.45.xx in any of his 3.26 races) - but you still need the physical ability to do it.
Let's look at it this way - when McSweyn was able to get to 1200m in 2.46.82 in that 2023 race, that was a massive outlier in terms of a pacer getting that far at a prescribed pace and McSweyn is a 3.29.5/7.28.0 guy - and he had wavelight.
We are talking someone 10-11 meters up the track on McS (that's the approx difference between 2.45.3 and 2.46.8). So okay, who is doing that? It's only really one of Hocker, Kerr, Nuguse, Tim C, maybe Komen. I think you simply have to have 3.28 ability for that and honestly you might need 3.27 chops. And don't forget there is a real skill in being able to mentally handle being at the front generating the pace and the rhythm irrespective of lights. I'm not saying one of those other big 4 couldn't do it - I'm just saying it's not as easy as it theoretically seems. This doesn't even take into account if they would want to - sacrificing a chance at their own performance for the sake of their biggest rival.
I personally think if Jakob wants (I think he needs) to get to 1200m in 2.45.5 he should be preparing to be alone after 1050-1100m at best.
I believe you are underestimating what it takes to run 2:45.4-2:45.5. Mcsweyn was not a 3:29.5 guy in 2023. His season best was a 3:31.42 in London. His best mile was a 3:49.32 in Eugene and best 3k was 7:31.14 the next day. His 2:46.8 split was incredible given the season he had, but it shows something.
You really think someone like Kessler cannot get to 1200 in 2:45.4? when he was literally behind Jakob in Laussane this year and clocked 2:47.3 at 1200m? He slowed down and his final 300 was 43.1, but it shows that he could have gotten there faster. I think him and Laros are Jakob's most likely pacemakers to 1200m. Hell, even Luke Mccann, the guy that paced Jakob in this race, is a 3:33.66 guy and still got to 1100m in 2:33.4.
while the athletes are not generally perfectly peaked, you have 332 guys running 338 and worse routinely.
that is the kind of result you expect with a B game elite going solo
The guy pacing Jakob would not be solo here...what?
We are speaking in hypotheticals here, but Sisk can presumably get to 1050 meters at 2:45.4 pace, this means that if someone like Kessler paced Jakob, he would need to run 150 more meters alone to get to 1200m. He was "paced" by Jakob in Laussanne and got to 1200m in 2:47.3. You don't think all out he can get there 2 seconds faster? For a large sum of money, I would be surprised Laros or Kessler don't take this opportunity, but they are also top 8.
I think the bigger challenge is actually getting these guys to pace it, which might not happen.
Running at WR pace for 1200 meters is a big "all".
I mean, theoretically, someone like Hoppel, Arop, or Kessler can get to 1200m in 2:45 if they went all out, obviously it's not easy. I meant that the lights take the guesswork out of pacing perfectly, there is no reason not to be able to go 55.2-55.2-55 if you have a blue light to chase around the track.
and the thing is, there will be at least two pacers. so the guy going to 1200 should be paced for at least 800, but likely even 1000.