Maga45 wrote:
Thank Democrats for allowing this in the first place.
They do much more than just allow it...
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Kickers usually win wrote:
What will it accomplish? Just like with Lia Thomas, the NCAA has no ability to immediately ban the SJSU transgender athlete. The only path is for the FIVP, the international governing body of volleyball, to require hormone treatments prior to beginning puberty.
Actually, NCAA policy is determined by the policy of USA Volleyball. The national governing policy takes priority over the international governing body.
And it is easier to change the policy of USAV than FIVB, since most people in other countries probably cannot figure out what the big deal is about this above average player in a mediocre league.
I believe it’s FINA and WA for swimming and track, but regardless, the NCAA does not have direct control over USA Volleyball and maybe it wont see it as a big deal either.
The forfeits don’t make much sense as the superior teams won’t want to do so.
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Kickers usually win wrote:
I believe it’s FINA and WA for swimming and track, but regardless, the NCAA does not have direct control over USA Volleyball and maybe it wont see it as a big deal either.
The forfeits don’t make much sense as the superior teams won’t want to do so.
Like the U.S. Olympic and Paralympic Committee, the updated NCAA policy calls for transgender student-athlete participation for each sport to be determined by the policy for the national governing body of that sport. If there is no NGB policy for a sport, it would then be determined by the policy for that sport’s international federation.
SJSU's next match is at Colorado State, one of the pre-season favorites for the conference title. They have far more to lose than Boise State. (Colorado is also a much more moderate state than Idaho.) Utah State is in a precarious position because they have much at stake (one of the pre-season favorites), but is in a very conservative state. (They play on Oct. 23.)
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That\'s not what a trans man is wrote:
MattHatter wrote:
I don't have a link but they forfeited against San Jose St. who has a transgender man on their team. (apparently their best player)
the team has the full support of the coaches and school.
they'll accept a loss and move on to the next game.
Sooooo, you don’t know what a trans man is? This is exactly why you dorks can’t make any progress. You’re mad and you don’t even know why.
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Aren't Dims just the best?
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The SJSU player is 6' 1" - the second tallest person on their team. Height is such a huge advantage in volleyball, and no amount of hormone treatment will make someone shorter who is already full grown. This person would be in the 90th percentile of men in height, but is in the 99th percentile of women's height. In addition just looking at their team picture you can see this individual is quite a bit leaner than their teammates and likely has a much better vertical than the average NCAA women's player. They can hit the ball a lot harder than most other women according to one of her teammates.
Looks like that teammate is already suing the NCAA over this, that's got to make for some awkward practices:
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MattHatter wrote:
I don't have a link but they forfeited against San Jose St. who has a transgender man on their team. (apparently their best player)
the team has the full support of the coaches and school.
they'll accept a loss and move on to the next game.
Thats a hate crime. Its a human right to identify as you feel. Hate crimes should lead to prison time
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CO Coach wrote:
The SJSU player is 6' 1" - the second tallest person on their team. Height is such a huge advantage in volleyball, and no amount of hormone treatment will make someone shorter who is already full grown. This person would be in the 90th percentile of men in height, but is in the 99th percentile of women's height. In addition just looking at their team picture you can see this individual is quite a bit leaner than their teammates and likely has a much better vertical than the average NCAA women's player. They can hit the ball a lot harder than most other women according to one of her teammates.
Looks like that teammate is already suing the NCAA over this, that's got to make for some awkward practices:
But Fleming was not "fully grown" when she started hormone replacement therapy. So we have no idea how much taller she would have become if she had never started HRT. And 6-1 is not uncommon in D1 volleyball. Many outside hitters on P4 schools are taller than that.
As for the lawsuit, there seems to be more than what has been reported in the rightwing media. Slusser and Fleming were seen literally arms around each other in the pre-match huddle after Slusser joined the lawsuit. And she was celebrating more expressively than any of her teammates every time Fleming scored a point. She might have joined the lawsuit (with Fleming's consent) to deflect the harassment toward her. (She was seen as one of Fleming's closest friends on the team.) We just don't know. But Slusser's body language suggests they are still close friends.
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My dad would go to my HS football games. He;d give me his take about how I did he knew football. We kinda shared the experience. Have a hard time with......way to go son.......vs girls
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
CO Coach wrote:
The SJSU player is 6' 1" - the second tallest person on their team. Height is such a huge advantage in volleyball, and no amount of hormone treatment will make someone shorter who is already full grown. This person would be in the 90th percentile of men in height, but is in the 99th percentile of women's height. In addition just looking at their team picture you can see this individual is quite a bit leaner than their teammates and likely has a much better vertical than the average NCAA women's player. They can hit the ball a lot harder than most other women according to one of her teammates.
Looks like that teammate is already suing the NCAA over this, that's got to make for some awkward practices:
But Fleming was not "fully grown" when she started hormone replacement therapy. So we have no idea how much taller she would have become if she had never started HRT. And 6-1 is not uncommon in D1 volleyball. Many outside hitters on P4 schools are taller than that.
As for the lawsuit, there seems to be more than what has been reported in the rightwing media. Slusser and Fleming were seen literally arms around each other in the pre-match huddle after Slusser joined the lawsuit. And she was celebrating more expressively than any of her teammates every time Fleming scored a point. She might have joined the lawsuit (with Fleming's consent) to deflect the harassment toward her. (She was seen as one of Fleming's closest friends on the team.) We just don't know. But Slusser's body language suggests they are still close friends.
The same Brooke Slusser that was quoted by Fox News that she fears for opposing players safety because Fleming can hit the ball over 80 mph?
"Brooke estimates that Fleming’s spikes were traveling upward of 80 mph, which was faster than she had ever seen a woman hit a volleyball," Slusser’s complaint said, via the Cowboy State Daily. "The girls were doing everything they could to dodge Fleming’s spikes but still could not fully protect themselves."
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CO Coach wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
But Fleming was not "fully grown" when she started hormone replacement therapy. So we have no idea how much taller she would have become if she had never started HRT. And 6-1 is not uncommon in D1 volleyball. Many outside hitters on P4 schools are taller than that.
As for the lawsuit, there seems to be more than what has been reported in the rightwing media. Slusser and Fleming were seen literally arms around each other in the pre-match huddle after Slusser joined the lawsuit. And she was celebrating more expressively than any of her teammates every time Fleming scored a point. She might have joined the lawsuit (with Fleming's consent) to deflect the harassment toward her. (She was seen as one of Fleming's closest friends on the team.) We just don't know. But Slusser's body language suggests they are still close friends.
The same Brooke Slusser that was quoted by Fox News that she fears for opposing players safety because Fleming can hit the ball over 80 mph?
"Brooke estimates that Fleming’s spikes were traveling upward of 80 mph, which was faster than she had ever seen a woman hit a volleyball," Slusser’s complaint said, via the Cowboy State Daily. "The girls were doing everything they could to dodge Fleming’s spikes but still could not fully protect themselves."
That's the same Slusser who posted her off-court photos with Fleming multiple times on her Insta account, and who created Tiktok videos with Fleming.
That quote comes from the court filing. She has not spoken anything about the lawsuit to the media. BTW, no one believes Fleming hits 80 mph. Possibly 70mph on a few occasions. But there are literally dozens of D1 players who can hit harder than Fleming. If Slusser truly believes Fleming poses danger to other players, she would not set dozens of times for Fleming in every match.
That's why I think there is more to the lawsuit than what has been reported in the media.
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Boise played SJSU last year with the same player on the team and won 3-0.
bor-ring.
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Trans women are just women.
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I 100% support this. Also, there is a 0% chance I will be voting for Trump. Life is complicated.
The smooth brained posts about Dems bad are something to behold. Keep up the good work.
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(a) 6 teams advance to the conference tournament and they are now T-11 on 0-2 in conference.
(b) it their season comes down to the last game, guess who they play? hmm
(c) while pretending this is about fleming and competitive unfairness, in reality last year they swept SJSU with fleming and were in the MWC tournament and SJSU wasn't. so this is clearly about everything else in the respective programs besides fleming that changed one year to the next.
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Proud of the team, and also the Congressman from the state of Idaho that immediately supported it.
just bought some Boise St gear, I’m jumping on the bandwagon. Their football is doing great this year too!
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This is old news, but Wyoming is playing.
“The Athletic Department administration/coaching staff recently discussed the matter with the entire women’s volleyball team … including any potential safety concerns,” Chad Baldwin, UW spokesman, told Cowboy State Daily in a Tuesday email. “No student-athletes expressed any concern regarding their safety.”
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Vee_Eye_Tee wrote:
Boise played SJSU last year with the same player on the team and won 3-0.
bor-ring.
This. She played at Coastal Carolina for a year and played last year for San Jose State. And now it becomes an issue? Gee, I wonder why? Lighten up all you Francis.
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When someone on an opposing team is physically hurt by transgender player, and the hurt player sues the university, that’s when universities will clamp down on this.
The university knowingly put a biological male to complete against women and have been warned it’s dangerous, teams have boycotted them for safety reasons, and they they still put the biological male player on the team: NEGLIGENCE
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