Great Britain have now won seven of the last eight mens and womens 5th Avenue miles.
Even more absurdly they are all from Scotland. Well, if you count Wightman as Scottish.
The usual suspects here would be adamant that this is proof of genetic advantage if their skin color was different. Especially given that Jakob and now an increasing number of countrymen hail from the other side of the Rift Valley, oh I mean the North Sea.
Kerr ran the first 1/2 in around 2 minutes, so his last 800m might have been under 1:44.
One of the commentators under this video points out how crazy it is that Nuguse got spanked by Elliot Giles in a road mile a week ago, then beats Jakob and Kerr in Zurich, and 3 days later Kerr runs a 3:44 road mile.
Kerr has undoubtedly had a great season but in my mind Olympic gold trumps World Champs gold. In terms of the usual suspects I would rank them Hocker/Jakob/Kerr. Though personally my favorite middle distance runner of the year was Kessler. Showed huge improvement in all facets of racing and seemed composed and level headed.
So you think Vebjørn Rodal was a better 800m runner than Vincent Kipketer, since the former has an OG gold whereas the latter only won WC..? -What a strange formal world you are living in…. (Do you also think a Nobel prize winning author always has to be a better writer than one without this prize..?).
Kerr has undoubtedly had a great season but in my mind Olympic gold trumps World Champs gold. In terms of the usual suspects I would rank them Hocker/Jakob/Kerr. Though personally my favorite middle distance runner of the year was Kessler. Showed huge improvement in all facets of racing and seemed composed and level headed.
So you think Vebjørn Rodal was a better 800m runner than Vincent Kipketer, since the former has an OG gold whereas the latter only won WC..? -What a strange formal world you are living in…. (Do you also think a Nobel prize winning author always has to be a better writer than one without this prize..?).
A Nobel Prize is an evaluation of merit in culture and the sciences, it isn't a measure in which one sportsman crosses the line in front of another. That's called "beating" someone or "victory".
So you think Vebjørn Rodal was a better 800m runner than Vincent Kipketer, since the former has an OG gold whereas the latter only won WC..? -What a strange formal world you are living in…. (Do you also think a Nobel prize winning author always has to be a better writer than one without this prize..?).
Don't you mean Wilson Kipketer?
Rodal was a better 800m runner than Kipketer that year. Hocker also won the US trials, which is not to be sneezed at, especially with the current standard.
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Correct. Hocker beat Kerr twice in big races. Over-praising Kerr for his NY race in which he rode a tail wind and also enjoyed a slight downhill in part of the race is reaching. Cole has had a better season when it comes to the 1500. He will forever be an Olympic champ, a title Kerr will never be able to claim.
So you think Vebjørn Rodal was a better 800m runner than Vincent Kipketer, since the former has an OG gold whereas the latter only won WC..? -What a strange formal world you are living in…. (Do you also think a Nobel prize winning author always has to be a better writer than one without this prize..?).
A Nobel Prize is an evaluation of merit in culture and the sciences, it isn't a measure in which one sportsman crosses the line in front of another. That's called "beating" someone or "victory".
child.
"Merit" might've mattered a couple decades back, nowadays the prize has much more to do with courting the right people - yes even in the hard sciences. There is the occasional prize awarded on merit, but those are usually the outliers.
Kerr has undoubtedly had a great season but in my mind Olympic gold trumps World Champs gold. In terms of the usual suspects I would rank them Hocker/Jakob/Kerr. Though personally my favorite middle distance runner of the year was Kessler. Showed huge improvement in all facets of racing and seemed composed and level headed.
Great Britain have now won seven of the last eight mens and womens 5th Avenue miles.
Even more absurdly they are all from Scotland. Well, if you count Wightman as Scottish.
Kerr came out of the American college system and is based in the US.
So what?
None of Wightman, Reekie or Muir went to a US college so it shows there's no necessity to do that to reach the top of the elite ranks.
If people train in Australia, South Africa or Kenya for part of the year it doesn't mean those countries somehow appropriate all or part of medal winning performances.
Kerr ran the first 1/2 in around 2 minutes, so his last 800m might have been under 1:44.
One of the commentators under this video points out how crazy it is that Nuguse got spanked by Elliot Giles in a road mile a week ago, then beats Jakob and Kerr in Zurich, and 3 days later Kerr runs a 3:44 road mile.
Kerr came out of the American college system and is based in the US.
So what?
None of Wightman, Reekie or Muir went to a US college so it shows there's no necessity to do that to reach the top of the elite ranks.
If people train in Australia, South Africa or Kenya for part of the year it doesn't mean those countries somehow appropriate all or part of medal winning performances.
I didn’t say going to a US college was necessary to reach the top of the elite ranks. But Kerr did exactly that, so credit should be given to the American college system for being a big part of his development. Kerr himself gives it credit.
Kerr doesn’t merely train in the US for part of the year. He LIVES in the US, has lived in the US since 2015, and he’s coached by an American. The US is a huge part of his success.
A Nobel Prize is an evaluation of merit in culture and the sciences, it isn't a measure in which one sportsman crosses the line in front of another. That's called "beating" someone or "victory".
child.
"Merit" might've mattered a couple decades back, nowadays the prize has much more to do with courting the right people - yes even in the hard sciences. There is the occasional prize awarded on merit, but those are usually the outliers.
Kerr ran a great race but how does this make him the Goat?
As others have pointed out he ran a straight net downhill course with a tailwind. For perspective Sidney Maree’s 5th avenue mile time was more a second faster than his track mile PR, when conditions are right the 5th mile course is faster than running 4 laps on a track.
Beyond that El G, Ngeny, Ingebrigtsen, and Nuguse have all run sub 3:44 on the track vs. Kerr’s best is 3:45:34 which ranks 6 all-time.
It is a nice feather in his cap to have won in his NYC back to back years but the competition was far weaker than say last week’s 1500 in Zurich or next week’s in Zurich.
When Kerr runs a 3:43 we can start to discuss Goat but present there are several people ahead of him.
Epic to see him win easily after travelling to Zurich to use the 1500m as a warmup and rust buster. Clearly 3:44 is better then the winning time of the 1500m in Zurich. Jakob will be sent home devastated when he meets Josh again. Josh can get the WR next year in the 1500m and mile and a 3,000m
Funny troll. Kerr did appear remarkably relaxed since he knew he had no real competition, unlike Paris and Zurich where he showed his true abilities in comparison to the world’s best.
oh ya I remember Paris, that meet where he ended up on the podium stand while Jakob pretended he had sniffles
Rodal was a better 800m runner than Kipketer that year. Hocker also won the US trials, which is not to be sneezed at, especially with the current standard.
Wilson Kipketer was better than Rodal, also in 1996. He didn't have the opportunity to participate in the Olympics, because he was in the process of becoming a Danish citizen.
The best performance at middle distance this year is Jakob's 3000 WR. No one comes close to that achievement, certainly not Kerr.
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