I think it's mostly just this one person being defensive of Gjert. Perhaps out of guilt for their own actions? Who knows.
Being serious for a second. A good father should instill discipline but also a good father should know when they've gone too far and recognize when their actions or words have hurt their children. A good father will take time to reflect on this sort of thing and change, showing their kids that growth is sometimes hard but necessary in relationships. Anyway, my 2 cents as a dad.
Yes you are correct. A good father will learn from his mistakes.
Yup. And hurting your children is always a mistake no matter how good the intentions might be.
I suppose by your comment that you do? Please, indulge us. Describe what a real, acceptable "beating" is. And, tell us more about how we are failing to use nuance to define "beatings."
You likely have no idea what it takes to instill discipline. No wonder you sound so self righteous.
You're doing 2 things
1. Trying to normalize the beatings you took.
2. Trying to rationalize the beatings you hand out.
Yes you are correct. A good father will learn from his mistakes.
Yup. And hurting your children is always a mistake no matter how good the intentions might be.
Well it depends. If you hurt them by pushing them out of the way of an oncoming vehicle then this would not be a mistake, for example. If you hurt them by telling them they would not get to go to the baseball game because they skipped school, that may not be a mistake, for example.
You likely have no idea what it takes to instill discipline. No wonder you sound so self righteous.
You're doing 2 things
1. Trying to normalize the beatings you took.
2. Trying to rationalize the beatings you hand out.
You're broken.
I don’t beat anybody. I was punished physically as a child. I am not trying to do anything about it, as it is in the past. It maybe wasn’t good for my mental health, but it helped me in other ways.
2. Trying to rationalize the beatings you hand out.
You're broken.
I don’t beat anybody. I was punished physically as a child. I am not trying to do anything about it, as it is in the past. It maybe wasn’t good for my mental health, but it helped me in other ways.
Like I said, You're clearly trying to normalize your abusive childhood. It broke you.
Try to justify it all you want. In the end all you have is your mental health.
I don’t beat anybody. I was punished physically as a child. I am not trying to do anything about it, as it is in the past. It maybe wasn’t good for my mental health, but it helped me in other ways.
Like I said, You're clearly trying to normalize your abusive childhood. It broke you.
Try to justify it all you want. In the end all you have is your mental health.
“The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strongest at the broken places.” Ernest Hemingway
Gjert is believable as a parent who would never harm his children. He was very protective of his kids and always looking out for their wellbeing and safety. He forbade Henrik from getting a motorcycle because it’s too dangerous. He told Martin to be careful when going to his high school celebration. He wouldn’t let the runners train during a thunderstorm when they wanted to. He refused to train Ingrid until she was old enough. He always told the boys to not overtrain and be smart with their recovery. A father like that would NEVER harm his children.
Yes. This doesn’t mean he wasn’t occasionally very insightful.
He was a great writer however his personal experience doesn't support his insight.
The war broke him mentally, he never recovered. He instead killed himself.
But if you insist on quoting him use the entire quote, it changes the meaning.
-The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.
Yes. This doesn’t mean he wasn’t occasionally very insightful.
He was a great writer however his personal experience doesn't support his insight.
The war broke him mentally, he never recovered. He instead killed himself.
But if you insist on quoting him use the entire quote, it changes the meaning.
-The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.
Well I don’t know if you had a mentally ill parent, but if you did, at a certain point you recognize that it isn’t going to be perfect, and you just have to carry on under whatever circumstances you encounter. Well I guess that is true even if you didn’t have a mentally ill parent, but they are going to screw up, and so condemning them isn’t going to change things much. So you develop a tolerance for what many find to be inexcusable. How else are you going to survive? And then you carry on. Or you don’t, as Hemingway eventually chose not to. But whatever happened to the Ingebrigtsens, it is so easy to condemn Gjert. I choose not to, because I don’t feel I know enough about the situation, and what his own experiences were growing up.
2. Trying to rationalize the beatings you hand out.
You're broken.
I don’t beat anybody. I was punished physically as a child. I am not trying to do anything about it, as it is in the past. It maybe wasn’t good for my mental health, but it helped me in other ways.
He was a great writer however his personal experience doesn't support his insight.
The war broke him mentally, he never recovered. He instead killed himself.
But if you insist on quoting him use the entire quote, it changes the meaning.
-The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.
Well I don’t know if you had a mentally ill parent, but if you did, at a certain point you recognize that it isn’t going to be perfect, and you just have to carry on under whatever circumstances you encounter. Well I guess that is true even if you didn’t have a mentally ill parent, but they are going to screw up, and so condemning them isn’t going to change things much. So you develop a tolerance for what many find to be inexcusable. How else are you going to survive? And then you carry on. Or you don’t, as Hemingway eventually chose not to. But whatever happened to the Ingebrigtsens, it is so easy to condemn Gjert. I choose not to, because I don’t feel I know enough about the situation, and what his own experiences were growing up.
Building a tolerance for the inexcusable doesn't make it inexcusable.
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