This is pretty big news and, unfortunately, is cause for suspicion about other athletes that Palmer coaches and has coached. I’m hoping that is isolated and something Khan chose to do on his own.
I think this topic is taboo. We’ve all heard of doping stories in high school and college. Too many kids are on inhalers. Too many kids pop pills. Too many kids are starting to use test.
This is pretty big news and, unfortunately, is cause for suspicion about other athletes that Palmer coaches and has coached. I’m hoping that is isolated and something Khan chose to do on his own.
The downvotes on a post like the above one are always ambiguous.
It's downvoted because people disagree that all athletes coached by Palmer should be looked at with suspicion or it's downvoted because the OP stated that they hope it was something that Khan chose to do on his own and those downvoting believe that all athletes Palmer coached should be looked at with suspicion.
This is why the whole downvoting & upvoting thing sucks. It forces people to be lazy and not give their justifications and arguments on a subject.
No wonder Parvej ran fast under Will Palmer is scum and has athlete take EPO
This is dumb. Being a coach myself I know it would be quite easy for one of my athletes to go down this road, and I'd have no clue. To blame the coach without a sliver of evidence is uncalled for (but par for the course on this message board)
That guy is a freshman right? I assume he drops out of college now - as there'd be a bad look for him to be on any type of scholarship. He ruined his life.
First lying about his age, next using EPO, I’m am truly shocked. Will runs such a clean program, no on saw this coming for years.
Will definitely won’t be messaging fast runners on other programs promising them money if they transfer to Florida through an agent for at least a day or 2 after this.
Cool. Now I'd like to see 10 others tested. Preferably out of competition. Some are far more suspicious than others (while others' only suspicion is by virtue of the times itself) but some times and progressions strike me as insane, and where they occurred too makes me wonder (i.e. not a 5'0 freshman becoming a 5'6 sophomore while training harder but a big jump junior to senior year with no real physical growth)
In no particular order (in the same tier) for who I'd like to see / have seen tested:
- Shane Cohen, Addy Wiley, top SEC sprinters (well...)
- Any sports-focused boarging school like Montverde and IMG with near world class times. Maybe add a couple oregon runners as well just because of how many resources the school would have
- World class times: Christian Miller and Quincy Wilson; nb - these aren't from true suspicions of doping due to normal progressions and physiques, it's more by virtue of the time itself. But a random test they couldn’t avoid would go a long way to assuage doubts.
- Top HS (past and present) but not globally elite: Danny Simmons, Drew Griffith, Newbury Park alum's who aren't now tested (i.e. not the one who's currently pro and who has noticabley lighter bone structure than the others)As someone who ran a hair under 9:00 in the mid 2000's off of moderate training for that time (about 50 mpw in season, 60 during cross) I would expect to see progression if people have run more mileage along with shoes benefiting 3 seconds per mile. But especially because it seems like the times needed to get recruited get a bit faster each year, what'll be the recruiting standards for Stanford and top Ivies in a few years? Sub 8:40 or sub 4? My brother's kid is 14 and knows how fast he'd have to run in 4 years
So why wouldn't people dope to get in when a non-zero number of people are doing it as well? And especially because people can get paid for their performance* yet never get tested, what's stopping people?
No wonder Parvej ran fast under Will Palmer is scum and has athlete take EPO
This is dumb. Being a coach myself I know it would be quite easy for one of my athletes to go down this road, and I'd have no clue. To blame the coach without a sliver of evidence is uncalled for (but par for the course on this message board)
I don't disagree that the coach is automatically guilty, but at the same time I do think a seasoned coach should have a suspicion that something is going on even if they have no direct involvement. I go back to Jerry Schumacher and his total shock about Shelby. Either he knew something and was lying or he was totally delusional and thought his coaching methods were better than they really were.
Thought this was really obvious. The drug situation in India is pretty concerning. People forget India is a top 10 pharmaceutical manufacturer, but unlike the other top 10 (US, China, EU countries) there are basically no regulations on selling pharmaceuticals. These drugs end up being cheaper and more accessible than anywhere in the world. I actually think India is more doped than east africa on a percentage-of elites basis.
That guy is a freshman right? I assume he drops out of college now - as there'd be a bad look for him to be on any type of scholarship. He ruined his life.
If he wants to continue education somewhere in the US, I say fine. But no college should ever allow him to run again competitively. That would be a terrible look and unfair to the rest of the team.
First lying about his age, next using EPO, I’m am truly shocked. Will runs such a clean program, no on saw this coming for years.
Will definitely won’t be messaging fast runners on other programs promising them money if they transfer to Florida through an agent for at least a day or 2 after this.
A real Wesley Keating situation here. Failing a test for epo is more akin to failing an IQ test. Unbelievable he got caught. Sadly there are a lot more kids doping in the ncaa than we’ll ever know. Past and present.
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