Jakob used the word "excitement" adding his legs felt great and he just got carried away. And then made another mistake when Kenyan runners opened a little gap which he saw and accelerated even more, and that was still before 800m mark.
Come on sir????? Who isn't excited in an Olympic final???? Who doesn't have nerves tell me sir?????? You are making ridiculous excuses for Jakob and why is that sir????
Jakob knew he would lose the race leading wire to wire, it's that simple, it's not because he was excited and got carried away. Well Josh Kerr got excited at Budapest in the final 200m when he found out Jakob looked strangely tame in his kick and got excited and took a chance to ramp up the speed to overtake him. Josh Kerr got carried away as well running wide with longer distance side by side with Jakob thinking he could beat him this way again like Wightman did the previous year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But Kerr won the race and all that excitement and carrying away didn't cause him any disadvantage right????????????????
Please think harder sir!!!!! Really, the level of reason and persuasion on this board is kindergarden!!!!!! If Jakob thinks the reason of his loss of gold is still due to excitement and getting carried away, then you folks need to teach him that wasn't the case. It was Hocker's superb PED timing instead!!!
He still took 4th place, which is better than me and you. So I better not teach him anything.
"Jakob is not breaking the 1500m WR in his lifetime" and then you say "If he does break it..." which way is it??
I meant to say Jakob is not breaking the 1500m WR in his lifetime fair and square with the previous generation of athletes like Hicham El King Guerrouj.
I want to see Jakob donning not aerodynamic tracksuit apparel but El G's cumbersome and wind dragging running shorts and singlet, and El G's lousy spike shoes and also El G's lousy track surface to run 3:25!!!!!!!
Well, what you want might different from what Jakob wants, that's how it goes, right? You're right Jakob is not going to race El G to break the world record.
The "startling conclusion" is that everyone could have run faster in a race that suited their requirements. But that isn't a championship race. So Jakob ends up 4th, that no mathematical hypothetical can change.
You are not interested in science. Why don't you shut up for once?
Your "understanding" of science isn't necessarily that of others.
Useless article and data. Nothing changes the fact that there was a race, and there was an outcome to that race. Doesn’t matter “what could have happened if”, it didn’t. Furthermore if there was a rabbit or such, than it wouldn’t be championship racing. The goal of championship racing is to win.
This bu guy is a troll. Witness all the hype he had about blummenfelts vo2 and how that was going to win him Olympic gold in the triathlon and now supposedly the Tour de France. Blummenfelt must have terrible economy if his vo2 is as high as claimed. Now apparently a 4th place getter gets the world record if paced - maybe he still gets 4th and the others all beat the record too?
Bu has also calculated how much faster Ingebrigtsen could have run with a pacer in front of him. - about two seconds in 1500 metres. - In other words, would Jakob Ingebrigtsen have been very close to the world record of 3:26.00? - Yes, you can say that.
This is really stupid because it would require the pacer to run a low 3:26 from the front. The pacer wouldn't be there, breaking wind, from start to finish. He'd check out halfway through the race, cutting the estimated 2s time gain in half.
Useless article and data. Nothing changes the fact that there was a race, and there was an outcome to that race. Doesn’t matter “what could have happened if”, it didn’t. Furthermore if there was a rabbit or such, than it wouldn’t be championship racing. The goal of championship racing is to win.
Thanks for stating the obvious moron. We are speculating on his WR chances, not on whether he would win gold.
Essentially this is just say he might have just about been in WR shape if he had El Guerrouj racing in front of him for 1490m.
Clearly that is hypothetically possible bearing in mind he has run a 3:26 but as it's not going to happen it is irrelevant.
He is almost certainly not in WR shape because he doesn't have an El G rabbit but we will see in Lausanne and Zurich. Taking 0.73 seconds off is still *a lot*.
Essentially this is just say he might have just about been in WR shape if he had El Guerrouj racing in front of him for 1490m.
Clearly that is hypothetically possible bearing in mind he has run a 3:26 but as it's not going to happen it is irrelevant.
He is almost certainly not in WR shape because he doesn't have an El G rabbit but we will see in Lausanne and Zurich. Taking 0.73 seconds off is still *a lot*.
For me, I would consider a few things when calculating the "potential time" of the Olympic 1500 final.
1. Time spent in the lead: obviously Ingebrigtsen was the rabbit for most of the race
2. Effect of rounds: This is hard to calculate precisely, but you've got to imagine running 3:31 in a semi isn't quite ideal preparation for a final. Each athlete handles it differently, and I would bet the faster 5000 meter runners would bounce back more quickly than the slower ones (for instance, Ingebrigtsen probably had a little less residual fatigue in the final compared to someone like Laros or Kessler).
3. Time spent off the rail and/or passing: I haven't seen an estimate for "total meters covered" in the Olympic final, but I imagine Ingebrigtsen did pretty well by this metric.
4. Mental aspect of Olympic final: There is more pressure on the Olympic final than pretty much any other race. This could lead to faster racing if you handle it well, but slower if you crack under the pressure or run your first lap too fast.
Long story short, in a perfectly rabbited single race (not following rounds) where everyone gets to stay on the rail, I'd put the fitness of the top 5 guys at no worse than:
Ingebrigtsen: 3:26.0
Hocker: 3:26.6
Kerr: 3:26.8
Nuguse: 3:26.8
Kessler: 3:28.2
"Perfect" races are hard to come by, though. We may see some more optimally rabbited races yet this season - I'll be curious to see what sort of fitness the top guys show in the next month.
If Jakob is the fastest solo runner and capable of breaking the world record for the 1500 meters but finishes fourth in the race, it indicates that his race tactics might need some refinement. Here are a few possibilities: Pacing: He might have started too fast or too slow, affecting his overall performance. Positioning: He may not have positioned himself well within the pack, which could have hindered his ability to make a strong finish. Race Strategy: Perhaps he didn’t respond effectively to the moves of other runners or failed to execute a planned strategy. Mental Focus: Sometimes, mental factors like stress or overthinking can impact performance. Environmental Factors: Conditions like weather, track surface, or competition level might have played a role. In competitive racing, it’s not just about speed but also about how you manage the race from start to finish.
If Jakob is the fastest solo runner and capable of breaking the world record for the 1500 meters but finishes fourth in the race, it indicates that his race tactics might need some refinement. Here are a few possibilities: Pacing: He might have started too fast or too slow, affecting his overall performance. Positioning: He may not have positioned himself well within the pack, which could have hindered his ability to make a strong finish. Race Strategy: Perhaps he didn’t respond effectively to the moves of other runners or failed to execute a planned strategy. Mental Focus: Sometimes, mental factors like stress or overthinking can impact performance. Environmental Factors: Conditions like weather, track surface, or competition level might have played a role. In competitive racing, it’s not just about speed but also about how you manage the race from start to finish.
The part of interest does not concern the Olympics. What is interesting is that he is/was in WR shape. But that is hardly any suprise as he already demonstrated that in Monaco and it has been said before that pacers are worth 2-3 seconds. Thus running 3:28.2 "solo" should equate to a WR performance or better.
"Olav Aleksander Bu is both a researcher and trainer for the triathlete Kristian Blummenfelt. Over the years, he has, among other things, made scientific measurements on how profitable it is to run in the drag of a hare.
"And after spending some time inserting the height, weight and shoulder width of Ingebrigtsen into the model, he quickly arrived at figures that give clear answers to how much the Norwegian lost due to his tactical choice. The first thing Bu calculated was the average speed of the race time 3:28.24. - The average speed is then 25.92 km/hour. This amounts to 7.2 meters per second. In air resistance, this amounts to 15.4 Newtons, or 1.6 kilograms of force. In that case, speed variation or position is not taken into account. - The simplest image we can use for this is if someone took a rope around your waist and attached a fishing scale to the rope. Then they'd hold you back while you ran until the scale read about 1.6 kilos. It's noticeable, he says."
"The calculations by Bu and the triathlon gang also gave an answer to how much it pays to lie behind a hare. - You reduce air resistance by 70-80 percent by lying behind a hare at 1,500 metres. Or in this case the air resistance will have been reduced from about 110 to just over 40 Watts. That is significant, says the researcher. Bu has also calculated how much faster Ingebrigtsen could have run if he had done the same race, and used the same amount of power - with a hare in front of him. - It is a little difficult to assess as we do not have an exact model of Jakob, but it is about two seconds in 1500 metres. - In other words, would Jakob Ingebrigtsen have been very close to the world record of 3:26.00? - Yes, you can say that."
The part of interest does not concern the Olympics. What is interesting is that he is/was in WR shape. But that is hardly any suprise as he already demonstrated that in Monaco and it has been said before that pacers are worth 2-3 seconds. Thus running 3:28.2 "solo" should equate to a WR performance or better.
If Jakob is the fastest solo runner and capable of breaking the world record for the 1500 meters but finishes fourth in the race, it indicates that his race tactics might need some refinement. Here are a few possibilities: Pacing: He might have started too fast or too slow, affecting his overall performance. Positioning: He may not have positioned himself well within the pack, which could have hindered his ability to make a strong finish. Race Strategy: Perhaps he didn’t respond effectively to the moves of other runners or failed to execute a planned strategy. Mental Focus: Sometimes, mental factors like stress or overthinking can impact performance. Environmental Factors: Conditions like weather, track surface, or competition level might have played a role. In competitive racing, it’s not just about speed but also about how you manage the race from start to finish.
Nope. The Jakob femboys keep equating WR shape to gold medal potential and the correlation isn't as strong as you think because a few of his competitors are also close to WR shape and the margins for winning medals are tiny. You guys are still not respecting the competition. This ain't Jakob's to lose.. it's that he really can't beat those guys.
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The "startling conclusion" is that everyone could have run faster in a race that suited their requirements. But that isn't a championship race. So Jakob ends up 4th, that no mathematical hypothetical can change.
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