How could he have lost the war when he won the last race? Are you saying he'd lost the "war" before the Olympic final because, since Kerr beat Jakob, nothing was swayed in Ingy's favour?
Ahhhhh….Kerr walked away 1st LOSER, Jacob walked away with gold👍🏼
I thought this was light on actual training specifics, but I understand those details may not want to be shared.
Question for the Coros people out there. Do any of you use this load data to really determine daily training? I'm curious because as a Garmin user, I don't find any of their data to be useful when evaluating overall load during the week. I completely ignore it when determining what my body is needing. So I'd be interested if anyone is a experienced runner, meaning you know what your body is capable of handling, but the Coros data has influenced your decisions around training to the point where at least occasionally you trust it more than your own instincts and experience.
Yeah, I'm a Coros user and I disregard this data completely. The heart rate tracking is super inaccurate, I actually turned it off because I only care about pace and distance, but it calculated my Zone 6 as being slower than my marathon pace.
I do the same with my Garmin watch. The heart rate monitor is nowhere close to being accurate.
Just about all watches these day do; but everyone also knows that HR detected at the wrist is notoriously inaccurate.
There just isn't enough flesh there for the optical sensor to detect the bloodflow through veins and tissues.
That's why you'll often see Jakob wearing an arm strap around his bicep (a much better place to detect HR). He wasn't wearing one in the final, so the data is likely just the inaccurate numbers from the wrist.
Yeah, we know about the strap, bud. However, it seems that "doubtful-data" did not know about thecapabilities of the watch- the entire reason for my comment.
"Doubtful-data's" comment was directed at the capabilities of the watch. Of course it's going to have an in-built HR sensor, but because it's detecting at the wrist (as all watches do), it cannot be trusted.
Therefore, as "doubtful data points out", the data is useless unless he's wearing an arm strap (which he wasn't) or a chest strap (which we can't tell - but it's very unlikely).
Anyway, your comment came across as the biggest bot post imaginable. I'm guessing you've been employed by Coros to flog the product.
For those of you who downvoted my prior post re: Jakob's apparent drastic reduction on threshold training in the competition season, how do you explain the nearly 50% drop in cumulative training load starting in May? Double thresholds create huge TSS, while leads to very high CTL. Eliminating those would account for that drop, and it's not obvious to me what else possibly could.
You realise that the way in which load is calculated in these training zone algorithms doesn't actually match the true load on the body?
Especially when the original parameters aren't even accurate to begin with.
sometimes if i dig up carrots that are too small i put them back. it doesnt really damage them and they can still size up. maybe he should have said lettuce or peppers, something that breaks off. either way thanks jakob for the veg analogy.
How could he have lost the war when he won the last race? Are you saying he'd lost the "war" before the Olympic final because, since Kerr beat Jakob, nothing was swayed in Ingy's favour?
Ahhhhh….Kerr walked away 1st LOSER, Jacob walked away with gold👍🏼
Kerr medalled in the 1500, Jakob finished 4th . The 5000 doesn't come into their "war" because Kerr doesn't race that distance
For those of you who downvoted my prior post re: Jakob's apparent drastic reduction on threshold training in the competition season, how do you explain the nearly 50% drop in cumulative training load starting in May? Double thresholds create huge TSS, while leads to very high CTL. Eliminating those would account for that drop, and it's not obvious to me what else possibly could.
You realise that the way in which load is calculated in these training zone algorithms doesn't actually match the true load on the body?
Especially when the original parameters aren't even accurate to begin with.
The bit about CTL not matching “the true load” is neither here nor there. The fact that CTL substantially dropped implies that double threshold work was removed: essentially the whole theory is built around racking up very high training stress score on workout days which ups your CTL.
I thought this was light on actual training specifics, but I understand those details may not want to be shared.
Question for the Coros people out there. Do any of you use this load data to really determine daily training? I'm curious because as a Garmin user, I don't find any of their data to be useful when evaluating overall load during the week. I completely ignore it when determining what my body is needing. So I'd be interested if anyone is a experienced runner, meaning you know what your body is capable of handling, but the Coros data has influenced your decisions around training to the point where at least occasionally you trust it more than your own instincts and experience.
Yeah, I'm a Coros user and I disregard this data completely. The heart rate tracking is super inaccurate, I actually turned it off because I only care about pace and distance, but it calculated my Zone 6 as being slower than my marathon pace.
Yeah same, my old polar watch was playing up back in November last year so I thought on Black Friday that I would try out the new Coros. Like all new watches it takes a few days to get used to it. Anyway, I did a rep session of 6 x a 900m loop of nice ground near my place about a week after buying. After the first rep that wasn't overly taxing, I looked at the HR and it was still 135-140bpm, I was getting cold and it wouldn't drop. I decided to do a manual HR check and in 30s I counted about 34 and instantly thought this HR info was useless. The interesting thing is that everything else that Coros provides is really good.
I’ve posted a pdf with their in season training before. Yes, they drastically reduce the amount of threshold work during the competition phase
Supposedly they changed it up a few years back. Put me in the I am suspect of the data camp. I also sort of doubt there load is any more accurate than counting miles at various paces. And man those charts are bad technical. Way too much dead space and the important info all gets squished together.
meh. those numbers don't really mean much or show any useful information. i'm more interested in months of logs from the beginning of base training phase up to his olympic 5000m race. i'm not sure if we'll ever get this kind of information though. giving away his workouts will simply lead to josh kerr copying it word for word and then going for hicham's WR
For those of you who downvoted my prior post re: Jakob's apparent drastic reduction on threshold training in the competition season, how do you explain the nearly 50% drop in cumulative training load starting in May? Double thresholds create huge TSS, while leads to very high CTL. Eliminating those would account for that drop, and it's not obvious to me what else possibly could.
You realise that the way in which load is calculated in these training zone algorithms doesn't actually match the true load on the body?
Especially when the original parameters aren't even accurate to begin with.
Not necessarily. If the parameters are incorrect but consistent then the drop in CTL is believable. I know my Garmin watch isn’t accurate for what my HR is, but the pace I run at a given HR goes down over time and my HR at a given pace goes down over time across a few months. That tells me what I need to know.
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