Unfortunately I simply cannot believe she (or Jess Hull) is clean. I also highly doubt that if anything is found, That Team GB will allow it to be exposed due to the implications it would have for her training mates…
All the doping agencies are independent of the NGBs. Team GB you refer to is some new brand for the BOA team of every sport. If a doping infringement is found the NGB doesn't have the decisive role in its announcement.
Mashallah, this westerner is DIRTIER than great mud MINARETS of Ghardaia... you Letsrunners make grand deal of self-intellectuality... Ms. "CLEAN" Bell started training serious a year ago.... NOO WAYYYY is she not DOPED. OF. THE. GILLS!! Unlike smooth, pure PRIDEFUL LION SEDJATI... may PRAISE be heaped upon him and his LINEAGE! Mnshoufkon bi kheir.
BRAHIM, what became of your glorious father? We trust he is He should get a black page on LR not some marathon winner with also low level medals in the 5 and 10K. Those accomplishments PALE in comparison to what JAKIR gave us.
She's a very obvious doper,in a sport,and an olympics, chock full of very obvious dopers. I have no doubt she always had more talent than her 4.12 in college (or was it 4.17?) but from 4.06 to 3.52 in a year, is a supernatural 90s chinese level of improvement. Also,she's 31. Far too old to be running monster pb's
Ok, other than the massive drop in time what objective evidence do you have that Bell is an "obvious doper". Iwould love to hear it since you feel free to slander her here.
Other than a "massive drop in performance"? What else do you need? Katir improved 8 secs in a year in the 1500. She improved 20 secs. At age 31.
So is the rest of the field clean and she is doping? Or some random Brit got much better dope than the rest of the world?
All I know is that least likely of all the scenarios is the one where a random Brit goes from 1000th best in the world to one the best in history at 30 because she finally overcame her 18 year injury.
As unbelievable as her improvement is, a lot of these posts really are trying to suit the narrative that she's doped and not taking into account the factors of why she's made such an improvement.
Improved endurance In 2014 she came 2nd in 2.03 at the u23 championships. Her 1500 time was 4.16 that year and the following year she ran just inside 19 mins for 5k running 2.07 indoors that season. It’s obvious she trained more like a sprinter for the 800 in the past while at University in England and had very poor endurance in relation to her speed. The US coaches probably realized this and tried to increase her volume too quickly, which led to injuries. Fast-forward to now and at the end of 2023 she ran 32.22 for 10k on the road and then ran 15.35 for 5k in April of this year. If she’s maintained her speed through S&C, strides, flexibility and good luck then it's not out of the question that her 1500m time would drop significantly thanks to her massively improved endurance and capacity to train harder for longer.
The shoes So many posters commenting on her age, but people forget that in this new super shoe era, it’s possible to train hard way into your 30s because your legs are being protected by the shoe technology. Back in the day when training in spikes like the OG victories it would take weeks for your calves not to be in bits after a session, these days you can stick on a pair of dragonflys any time of the year and feel no soreness in your calves the next day. The shoes have clearly increased the ability to train at a high level at and older age.
It’s not inconceivable to suggest that all of these things have aligned perfectly, and she’s just been incredibly fortunate this year.
If true, this has worrying implications. There's no way Bell could pull off that much dopingwithout the knowledge of team GB officials. Makes you wonder who else is doing it, perhaps a bit more subtly. An 800 meter runner and a 1500 both come to mind 🤔
If true, this has worrying implications. There's no way Bell could pull off that much dopingwithout the knowledge of team GB officials. Makes you wonder who else is doing it, perhaps a bit more subtly. An 800 meter runner and a 1500 both come to mind 🤔
Britain protects its athletes very well,just like USA.
I'm going with talent.....freakish , once in a million talent . Partly because the UK athletic community is so small , that any rumour of doping would have been out there by now . Our tabloid press are ruthless and have more spies than the CIA ! There is also the credibility of her coaching team in Painter/Meadows . Jenny Meadows being involved in doping an athlete would be more surprising than NASA announcing the moons made of cheese .
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As unbelievable as her improvement is, a lot of these posts really are trying to suit the narrative that she's doped and not taking into account the factors of why she's made such an improvement.
Improved endurance In 2014 she came 2nd in 2.03 at the u23 championships. Her 1500 time was 4.16 that year and the following year she ran just inside 19 mins for 5k running 2.07 indoors that season. It’s obvious she trained more like a sprinter for the 800 in the past while at University in England and had very poor endurance in relation to her speed. The US coaches probably realized this and tried to increase her volume too quickly, which led to injuries. Fast-forward to now and at the end of 2023 she ran 32.22 for 10k on the road and then ran 15.35 for 5k in April of this year. If she’s maintained her speed through S&C, strides, flexibility and good luck then it's not out of the question that her 1500m time would drop significantly thanks to her massively improved endurance and capacity to train harder for longer.
The shoes So many posters commenting on her age, but people forget that in this new super shoe era, it’s possible to train hard way into your 30s because your legs are being protected by the shoe technology. Back in the day when training in spikes like the OG victories it would take weeks for your calves not to be in bits after a session, these days you can stick on a pair of dragonflys any time of the year and feel no soreness in your calves the next day. The shoes have clearly increased the ability to train at a high level at and older age.
It’s not inconceivable to suggest that all of these things have aligned perfectly, and she’s just been incredibly fortunate this year.
Smart, well-thought-out answer.
More believable than the rest of this thread's drivel.
Ran 2:03 at 20 having trained with Trevor Painter (Keelys coach)
Went to Cal Berkeley and was injured the whole time as higher mileage resulted in stress fractures.
Got disillusioned with the sport, got a full time job and took up duathlon. Won a world age group championship.
Ran more during COVID and did a good park run off no real structured training. Her mother encouraged her to give running another go after looking back at photos of her competing with people who went on to become Olympians when they were kids.
Returned to Trevor Painters group and the rest is history. Trevor Painter is the husband of Jenny Meadows who was a world medallists in the 800. They have a lot of know how and experience.
Based on all the above it does not seem suspicious to me but of course anything is possible.
I think there is some sort of misunderstanding in the US that all the British training groups are all centralised and run by UK athletics meaning there is some state organised doping program. It is not the case, training groups are all spread around the country and not really coordinated. There are many different groups and coaches and most are not fully professional though obviously the best athletes get some lottery funding and are sponsored. There is one semi professional shoe sponsored training group in the UK. Team New Balance Manchester. That's it. Most UK coaches are volunteers. The only place paid track coaching exists on a large scale is the US because of the college system and shoe sponsored teams. It simply does not exist anywhere else.
Good article below giving an insight into her training which still involves quite a bit of cycling including 3-4 hours on a Sunday.
We catch up with the World Indoors fourth placer and duathlete about her impressive return to athletics To the home crowd, Georgia Bell had achieved a remarkable feat. From relative obscurity – or so it would seem to the majo...
I was doing around 50 miles/week and I was constantly dealing with issues. I was in a boot for a lot of that time, I had bad shin splits and stress fractures, and I just think that whenever I go above 30 miles per week now I still feel really uneasy that something is going to pop up again,” she says.
“I think a huge part of why I’m running well now is because I’ve had years of consistency and no injuries, so I’ve just had building blocks. There might be an opportunity to increase my mileage in the future, but right now I’m really happy keeping it as it is.”
Monday: (am) 6-7 miles before work (easy); (pm) one hour indoor bike workout with intervals (Zwift)
Tuesday: road session in Battersea – around 10 miles total including warm-up/cool down e.g., 5min-4min-3min-2min x 3
Wednesday: rest day
Thursday: (am) solo track session before work e.g., 1200m time trial followed by 300s and 200s plus warm-up/cool down; (pm) Zwift race representing Wahoo Le Col elite racing team: “It’s really fun and it’s really physically hard,” says Bell. “The way I feel after a Zwift race is harder than I feel after a running race. It hurts so much. I’m really pushing myself to the extreme, but it’s also quite fun because it’s competitive in a different way.”
Friday: easy run (around 30min/5 miles) and light weights at home: “I’ll be adding in strength and conditioning when I have more time,” she says. “I’m really looking forward to that as it’s something I don’t really have in my training at the moment, so it could make a big difference.”
Saturday: hard track workout e.g., time trial followed by 300s and 200s. This will be more intense than Thursday’s session: “Something where I know I’ll be going all out,” says Bell.
Sunday: 100km bike (3-4 hours on the roads)
Favourite session: “I love short hill sessions, e.g., 30-second reps. On the track I really like 300m reps off short recovery e.g., 45 seconds. That’s when I know I’m fit, when the 45-second recovery feels like two minutes, I love that feeling.”
Worst session:“It’s what Trevor calls a ‘gears’ run; it’s usually an hour run where you’re changing to different gears throughout it. The last 10 minutes of those runs are brutal.”
I'm going with talent.....freakish , once in a million talent . Partly because the UK athletic community is so small , that any rumour of doping would have been out there by now . Our tabloid press are ruthless and have more spies than the CIA ! There is also the credibility of her coaching team in Painter/Meadows . Jenny Meadows being involved in doping an athlete would be more surprising than NASA announcing the moons made of cheese .
with your logic doping is pretty much impossible in the uk….alrighty then
I'm going with talent.....freakish , once in a million talent . Partly because the UK athletic community is so small , that any rumour of doping would have been out there by now . Our tabloid press are ruthless and have more spies than the CIA ! There is also the credibility of her coaching team in Painter/Meadows . Jenny Meadows being involved in doping an athlete would be more surprising than NASA announcing the moon's made of cheese .
Smart, witty, well-thought-out answer.
Unfortunate that it took almost 50 posts in to find logic and reason.
Discussions about successful runners always attract the goons.
However, they have only the PED arrow in their quiver.
And no capacity to offer an intelligent contribution.
So, good ones, mdrunnerleeds2 and Arkle.
I'm guessing you both are British given your articulate responses. Every Englishman/woman I've met understands proper King's English and knows how to use it. You read like Shakespeare compared to the goons.
I think there is some sort of misunderstanding in the US that all the British training groups are all centralised and run by UK athletics meaning there is some state organised doping program. It is not the case, training groups are all spread around the country and not really coordinated. There are many different groups and coaches and most are not fully professional though obviously the best athletes get some lottery funding and are sponsored. There is one semi professional shoe sponsored training group in the UK. Team New Balance Manchester. That's it. Most UK coaches are volunteers. The only place paid track coaching exists on a large scale is the US because of the college system and shoe sponsored teams. It simply does not exist anywhere else.
My goodness.
Another insightful response which offers explanation rather than innuendo.
