Has Fisher surpassed Rupp as the American distance GOAT?

chep's the guy wrote:

Yes, he is the GOAT. One more medal puts the nail in the coffin for Rupp. You can't be significantly slower at every single distance and be considered the GOAT. Rupp also ran in a much weaker era for distance running. Fisher is contending with the current WR holder, and a slew of 12:4x and 26:3x guys every year, Rupp did not. Even the domestic competition that Fisher faces is miles ahead of anyone that Rupp faced, with multiple sub-13 and sub-26 guys the past few years. Just as an example, the year Rupp won his silver, only 4 guys ran sub-27 whereas this year that number was 24.

You can cry about super shoes all you want, but the fact is that track and field is just better now than it was 12 years ago, which includes Fisher.

langleyjim25 wrote:

Agreed it's Shorter. Dominated American distance running for two Olympic cycles. Really won two Olympic Marathons in a row given Cierpinski's name on the written East German doping records. And, yes, the Ethiopians competed in the Olympic Marathons - had won the prior 3 Olympic Marathons until Shorter beat them in 72. In addition to the Fukuoka Marathons and national 10K championships, dominated the US Cross Country championships of the day.

Rupp approached Shorter but never made it. Fischer is catching up to Rupp but not quite there. Has a chance to catch one or both

EvilRunner wrote:

porkchop487 wrote:

Frank Shorter

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Jim Ryan

Bernie B Sample wrote:

lagat gets no respect wrote:

Rupp is not the American distance GOAT. Lagat is. Idk why this board forgets about him every time this discussion comes up.

The same Lagat who competed for Kenya after gaining U.S. citizenship?

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

He already beat all Rupp's records. The only thing missing was olympic medals, and now he has one.
Yes, silver > bronze, but arguably the field was much better this year than in 2012. And Fisher was a whisker away from silver.
3k PR: Fisher 7:25, Rupp 7:30
2mi PR: Fisher 8:03, Rupp 8:07
5k PR: Fisher 12:46, Rupp 12:58
10k PR: Fisher 26:33, Rupp 26:44
Olympic finishes:
10k: Fisher 3rd & 5th, Rupp 2nd & 5th
5k: Rupp 6th, Fisher 9th

It is close - if Fisher can place in top 5 in the 5k next week, he has an even better case as GOAT.

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

He already beat all Rupp's records. The only thing missing was olympic medals, and now he has one.
Yes, silver > bronze, but arguably the field was much better this year than in 2012. And Fisher was a whisker away from silver.
3k PR: Fisher 7:25, Rupp 7:30
2mi PR: Fisher 8:03, Rupp 8:07
5k PR: Fisher 12:46, Rupp 12:58
10k PR: Fisher 26:33, Rupp 26:44
Olympic finishes:
10k: Fisher 3rd & 5th, Rupp 2nd & 5th
5k: Rupp 6th, Fisher 9th

It is close - if Fisher can place in top 5 in the 5k next week, he has an even better case as GOAT.

What about now? Pretty sure no Americans have ever won 2 distance medals in the same Olympics. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

He already beat all Rupp's records. The only thing missing was olympic medals, and now he has one.
Yes, silver > bronze, but arguably the field was much better this year than in 2012. And Fisher was a whisker away from silver.
3k PR: Fisher 7:25, Rupp 7:30
2mi PR: Fisher 8:03, Rupp 8:07
5k PR: Fisher 12:46, Rupp 12:58
10k PR: Fisher 26:33, Rupp 26:44
Olympic finishes:
10k: Fisher 3rd & 5th, Rupp 2nd & 5th
5k: Rupp 6th, Fisher 9th

It is close - if Fisher can place in top 5 in the 5k next week, he has an even better case as GOAT.

AP5000 wrote:

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

What about now? Pretty sure no Americans have ever won 2 distance medals in the same Olympics. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong?

Still no but close. Silver and bronze vs 2x bronze. Fisher will surpass eventually.

Heartlessss wrote:

AP5000 wrote:

Still no but close. Silver and bronze vs 2x bronze. Fisher will surpass eventually.

Intentionally obtuse. Ugh.

Heartlessss wrote:

cwarcarblue11 wrote:

He already beat all Rupp's records. The only thing missing was olympic medals, and now he has one.
Yes, silver > bronze, but arguably the field was much better this year than in 2012. And Fisher was a whisker away from silver.
3k PR: Fisher 7:25, Rupp 7:30
2mi PR: Fisher 8:03, Rupp 8:07
5k PR: Fisher 12:46, Rupp 12:58
10k PR: Fisher 26:33, Rupp 26:44
Olympic finishes:
10k: Fisher 3rd & 5th, Rupp 2nd & 5th
5k: Rupp 6th, Fisher 9th

It is close - if Fisher can place in top 5 in the 5k next week, he has an even better case as GOAT.

Fisher > Rupp.

Case is now closed.

Better times across the board.

Better finishes in a more competitive era.

Shoved “no kick” down all the skeptics’ throats.

10000m:

5th with 150m to go.

5000m:

8th with 250m to go.

6th with 50m to to.