Does anyone really want to see any more of Simone Biles? Come on - no one does!

The broadcast issues aren't unique to gymnastics. I tried to watch a little of NBC's primetime coverage tonight. 20% commercials, 60% human interest stories, 20% athletic competition. Most of us have the same complaint about coverage of track events.

It’s too funny that she triggers you, you fvcking loser 🤣

More tired of seeing mzungu distance runners that can't medal.

This is wrong in a lot of ways, but mainly it’s wrong because she has loads of money she earned from a lifetime of hard training (estimated $16M net worth), a lot more than a guy who has played 48 games in 5 NFL seasons.
What other sport or athlete would you show such disrespect - do you think it’s easy or what?

If you were just joking, sorry, I missed it.

Guaranteed 100% you are not a successful athlete in any sport. You lack understanding of high-level performance, gymnastics, and teamwork

Lots of big name celebrities were in the arena watching her.

What I want to know is would she win the gold if everyone did the same vaults and we had the 1996 scoring system? Like les't all do a 1996 vault - is she better than everyone else?

Ib the brief part I watched tonight, I hated how they said, "She doens't even need to land it. It's so difficult, she just needs to try it."

Ridiculous scoring system. Is she truly way better than everyone else?

I seems it's no longer about who is the best gymnast - just who is the most athletic. Or am I totally off based?

Yes. 🐐

You forgot at least one MAJOR qualifier.

By virtue of being a women, she is not even remotely close to one of the greatest athletes ever (biology isn't fair, sad but true-- thousands of men are already better at her at half of her own events...while doing four more).

One of the great things about not being in the US is that I don’t have to endure NBC’s “The Simone Biles Show”. 🤮

Instead, I have had to endure handball, whitewater kayak, and fencing😂

MUCH preferable

She gets the same deductions for not landing moves or stepping out of bounds. She has a higher starting value because of the difficulty. That seems fair to me. How else do you differentiate level of difficulty? being athletic is part of gymnastics, actually its the main part. Secondary is form and style points.

Gymnastics has changed a lot. It you used to be more about a fusion of balletic grace and doing tricks "beautifully". The emphasis was on form. The tricks have definitely taken over, and its now more formulaic and about difficulty. Different people are certainly advantaged by the new system, and Simone is one of them.

But yes Simone would still win (at least be the favorite) using the 1996 code of points. Consider final tumbling pass (double flip in the straight body position) she basically sticks every time at the end of an exhausting routine with 4 passes. This used to be the most difficult tumbling pass anyone did in the 1992/1996 olympics. The best gymnasts (gold medal contendars) struggled with it as their first tumbling pass (when fresh). Shannon Miller famously botched it 2 out of 2 times at the 1996 olympics (team and all around) and it cost her the all around medal.

On floor in 1996 women were also allowed to take graceful lunges back out of tumbling passes, so they didn't have to stick cold. The mistakes are more obvious now because they are not allowed to take "graceful" steps. Graceful steps are still allowed in NCAA gymnastics, if you want to see a relic of times past.

Now to your point if Biles did the exact same routines would she win in 1996? No. But she wouldn't attempt these routines. Because back in 1996, you basically only were allowed one small hop's worth of mistakes per routine in the olympics, and the moves they were doing are so trivial compared to what she is doing. If she were in 1996, she'd do simpler routines, with perfect landings, and sky high amplitude and power. She'd likely be scoring 9.9-10 on vault with a trivial (to her) double twisting yurchenko. She'd be scoring similar on floor. With so much time to spot the landings on these simpler skills she would probably win. But its hard to say for certain. There was little margin of error back in 1996 (even more so in the 1980s). So there was a chance she could take a huge step and be done. But on average she'd still win.

Amplitude and power has always been rewarded in gymnastics, and judges would also give subjectively smaller deductions for the same step on a harder skill. The new system is more objective/fair. Unfortunately some of the grace has disapeared, which is unfortunate.

TLDR: Simone Biles would win in pretty much any code of points as long as she was able to design her routine to match that year's codes. Atheleticism and power has always been rewarded, and Biles is more graceful than the Mary Lou Rettons and other power gymnasts of the past. But she wouldn't be winning by such large margins. Her current routines would be too risky for some codes of points, depending on the year.

I don't think you understand how good Simone Biles is. I watch a lot of male gymnastics and can confidently say she is in the top 50 in the world on both vault and floor (the women don't compete the other events). She would definitely have a shot at winning the NCAA mens champs in vault and floor. Could you imagine if a woman was good enough to win the mens' NCAA champs in track? It would be like a woman running a 3:33 1500m right now because that is the level we are talking about with Biles.

Would she win the mens vault final at the olympics? No. But I think if a woman ran a 3:50 mile we might be calling her best of all time, even if a handful of men could beat her.

I'm sorry, what kind of question is this, rojo? They are not using that system, so why would you ask? Is there some animus here? Why? How do you define "best" gymnast, rojo? According to the scoring system in use, she is, without question. So why are you trying to diminish her accomplishments?

I had enough of snoop dog

I just posted the following in another thread, then saw this one.

Simone has never struck me as being cocky or arrogant. She is the GOAT gymnast and still is quite humble and likeable and seems positive toward her teammates. Glad that she is back on her game after the mental blocks she experienced in Tokyo. It's amazing for a gymnast to have such a long career and still be the best at doing it. She's incredible!

Why bother even responding to this obvious troll?

(We watch her because she’s the greatest who ever lived, doing incredible things).

I didnt even bother to read the thread just came here to tell op to stfu bc ur an idiot