Tracks, gyms, doctor's offices, pools, whatever runners need. They are probably easier to access than elsewhere and more endurance athlete focused (ie the gym won't be 70 with no air flow). The doctors will know more than to tell you go rice, you can walk so you're good to go when injured.
From the article, good to see the below receive deserved & earned credit. The Mammoth Lakes / Team Running USA training group (2001-09) changed positively the trajectory and mentality of American distance running.
>>But it fell to former UCLA coach Bob Larsen and Joe Vigil, who coached distance runners for the U.S. Olympic team, to push that science forward when they took their athletes to the 7,900-foot altitude of Mammoth Lakes ahead of the 2004 Athens Olympics. In the previous 16 years, only one American had medaled in an Olympic event longer than 800 meters, but after living at altitude in Mammoth and training down the hill in Bishop, Meb Keflezighi broke the American record at 10,000 meters, then finished second in the men’s marathon, and Deena Kastor broke the American record in the women’s 10,000 and was third in the Athens marathon.<<
They run on the roads in Mammoth or those really rocky rocky fire roads by the track. The place honestly sucks and no one wants to go there anymore.
Imagine thinking this? Hundreds of teams go there and tons of camps every Summer to train. Mammoth is a great place for training in the Summer.
Laramie can't even begin to compare aside from the altitude
The number of soft surfaces to run on in Flagstaff is astounding. And you're in a really cool college town (FLG) instead of a really boring wasteland (Laramie)
Flagstaff is way more dog friendly too fwiw
Dunno when you lived in Laramie, but the entire Pilot hill area is new and tons of trails and soft surfaces. Plus you can train low in Fort Collins (65 miles away @ 4900 feet).
Laramie can't even begin to compare aside from the altitude
The number of soft surfaces to run on in Flagstaff is astounding. And you're in a really cool college town (FLG) instead of a really boring wasteland (Laramie)
Flagstaff is way more dog friendly too fwiw
What is with Americans and a weird obsession with dogs? You bring them into restaurants, malls, airplanes, and even a cinema. Besides the dangerous driving and cartoonishly fat people, it was one of the oddities that really stood out for our group.
Our atomized society is comprised of lonely people. Thus dogs, comfort food.
Laramie can't even begin to compare aside from the altitude
The number of soft surfaces to run on in Flagstaff is astounding. And you're in a really cool college town (FLG) instead of a really boring wasteland (Laramie)
Flagstaff is way more dog friendly too fwiw
Dunno when you lived in Laramie, but the entire Pilot hill area is new and tons of trails and soft surfaces. Plus you can train low in Fort Collins (65 miles away @ 4900 feet).
Laramie can't even begin to compare aside from the altitude
The number of soft surfaces to run on in Flagstaff is astounding. And you're in a really cool college town (FLG) instead of a really boring wasteland (Laramie)
Flagstaff is way more dog friendly too fwiw
What is with Americans and a weird obsession with dogs? You bring them into restaurants, malls, airplanes, and even a cinema. Besides the dangerous driving and cartoonishly fat people, it was one of the oddities that really stood out for our group.
agreed, poster lost me at "dog friendly," it has gotten to the point it's annoying. Can't even go on a run without being assaulted by someone's untrained, loose dog. sounds not fun...
bummed that Granny's Closet closed but I'm glad Mike and Ronda's is still there. best place for breakfast in Flag. an institution.
Mike and Ronda's is not even close..... Martanne's is the place to eat breakfast. Crown Railroad near bowling alley was the best ....but that sadly has closed. Granny's was ok late 1990's early 2000's but became quite meh fast. If only Pay n Take had cheestakes all would be perfect in the world.
The mountain biking is where it is at....running is for the nerds.
What is with Americans and a weird obsession with dogs? You bring them into restaurants, malls, airplanes, and even a cinema. Besides the dangerous driving and cartoonishly fat people, it was one of the oddities that really stood out for our group.
agreed, poster lost me at "dog friendly," it has gotten to the point it's annoying. Can't even go on a run without being assaulted by someone's untrained, loose dog. sounds not fun...
From the article, good to see the below receive deserved & earned credit. The Mammoth Lakes / Team Running USA training group (2001-09) changed positively the trajectory and mentality of American distance running.
>>But it fell to former UCLA coach Bob Larsen and Joe Vigil, who coached distance runners for the U.S. Olympic team, to push that science forward when they took their athletes to the 7,900-foot altitude of Mammoth Lakes ahead of the 2004 Athens Olympics. In the previous 16 years, only one American had medaled in an Olympic event longer than 800 meters, but after living at altitude in Mammoth and training down the hill in Bishop, Meb Keflezighi broke the American record at 10,000 meters, then finished second in the men’s marathon, and Deena Kastor broke the American record in the women’s 10,000 and was third in the Athens marathon vehicleaccidentinjury.<<
The LA Times recently highlighted Flagstaff as a premier destination for distance runners, emphasizing its unique appeal. With its high-altitude environment and stunning natural landscapes, Flagstaff offers optimal training conditions that are unrivaled elsewhere. The elevation provides a natural edge by enhancing aerobic capacity, while the diverse terrain ensures a variety of challenging routes. The town's scenic beauty and supportive running community further contribute to its reputation as a top training ground.
Pat Porter (coached by Joe Vigil) has to be considered one of the original U.S. "altitude" trained athletes. He trained at Adams State University in Alamosa, CO in the early 1980's under Joe Vigil, who in my opinion is the "Godfather" of altitude coaching and training in the U.S. Pat was hugely successful in cross country and ran in the 1984 Olympic Games and went on to become one of the greatest American distance runners of all-time. Denna Kastor was also one of his athletes and can be considered one of the first U.S. women to be altitude trained and enjoyed a storied career. Training at altitude was somewhat of an unknown in the U.S. in the 80's and only began to become popular in the late 80's and early 1990's when international athletes began venturing to Alamosa, Flagstaff, Boulder, and Albuquerque. In the early 1990's, Albuquerque was considered the best place to train for altitude, with mild winter and summer climates and ideal fall seasons. Many world-class Kenyans, Moroccans, and Europeans were seen running the trails under the Sandia Mountains above the city year around. At this time a small group of Americans began training in Albuquerque and would often train with the various international athletes. Many would go one on to making various Olympic and World Championship teams. The only drawback was limited access to a low altitude training location nearby. Today, it has become a necessity for middle-long distance runners to spend some of the training year at altitude.
Pat Porter (coached by Joe Vigil) has to be considered one of the original U.S. "altitude" trained athletes. He trained at Adams State University in Alamosa, CO in the early 1980's under Joe Vigil, who in my opinion is the "Godfather" of altitude coaching and training in the U.S. Pat was hugely successful in cross country and ran in the 1984 Olympic Games and went on to become one of the greatest American distance runners of all-time. Denna Kastor was also one of his athletes and can be considered one of the first U.S. women to be altitude trained and enjoyed a storied career. Training at altitude was somewhat of an unknown in the U.S. in the 80's and only began to become popular in the late 80's and early 1990's when international athletes began venturing to Alamosa, Flagstaff, Boulder, and Albuquerque. . .
Thank you for the nice historical recap.
But, the story starts at least a decade earlier.
Pat Porter may well have been the first prominent US distance runner to live and train at altitude.
However, if any US distance runner "popularized" altitude training, he would be Frank Shorter.
Shorter was based in Gainesville, FL in the early 1970s as a member of the Florida Track Club but would make training stints at altitude in Boulder, CO, famously convincing Steve Prefontaine to join him on occasion then running an unacclimated Pre into the pavement..
Frank's marathon gold medal at the 1972 Munich Olympics is historically pointed to as the flame that lit the fuse which ignited the first running boom in the US.
Later, Shorter co-founded the Bolder Boulder road race in 1979.
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