Not gonna happen. Biden is convinced he is the only who can beat Trump, because he did beat him. He conveniently forgets how mail-in balloting became the standard without a fight, every other bad thing about Covid that was hung on Trump (many of them manufactured by blue state governors), and the fact that he didn't really have to run a campaign last time. He is *not* a good speaker. But he does have a massive ego. Plus, part of him probably wants to stick it to the party. As he should, because they don't care about him and were ready to drop him *before* the debate. AOC, I hope you are paying attention. You're next.
i voted by mail and for biden. quit acting like we don't exist.
you lost badly by 70 electors. some of those states eg GA have since elected dems as senators, suggesting you are in denial on bigger picture shifts in the electorate.
You forget that the winner does not need 51% or even 50%. The winner can have even less votes and still 'win'.
The ONLY way Biden drops out is if Trumps drop out.
It was one debate. Chill out. Both of these dudes are mentally impaired.
Trump had never had more than 47% of the vote. He lost 46.8 to 51.3 in 2020 and he 'won' in 2016 with 46.1 to 48.2 for Hillary.
He does not have more support in 2024 than in 2020.
Since Bush in '88 only Obama has won with 51%+. Bush '04 even has over 50% (50.7) riding high as a 'war-time president'.
All that to say....Trump will lose more than Biden will win.
Alan
Is this election denial?
it's not election denial to point out that IMO trump lost because biden had near-complete party backing while a roughly 5-10% "splinter" of GOP (that the party would call RINOs) think he's gross and immoral.
if the parties are relatively even on numbers and a chunk of your party finds the man incompetent and nuts, that's how you lose.
just like in 2016, hillary was never liked by the bernie wing of the party, and an unpopular person in general, who basically couldn't win a popularity contest with trunp.
How is Gavin Newsome a shoo-in? How is it that someone who had the bright idea to marry/date Kimberly Guilfoyle is the dem's top choice?
Or, for that matter, the Governor of a state that has lots of unsolved issues. Why isn't a more moderate Democrat elevated to this position?
If Biden is the nominee, I will vote for a 3rd party candidate, and if it’s Newsom, I’ll vote for Newsom. You would actually vote for Biden over Trump, but not for Newsom?
Biden will step down and it will be 100% Newsom to replace him. This is what all the big $ donors and people in power behind the scenes have been working toward for awhile. Ever since they could no longer effectively conceal Biden's cognitive impairment. And if you think American economy is bad now, wait til Newsome and his cronies are in office. Look no further than California. Trump is awful as a human being but the alternative (for fiscal policy) is much worse.
And to the person who said Biden is sick. Lol. No. He has dementia. If you ever work with or around people with this diagnosis, it is so obvious and has been for a long time. No one should want someone with this diagnosis running the country regardless of your political leanings. It is a huge safety concern for intelligence, among other things.
How is Gavin Newsome a shoo-in? How is it that someone who had the bright idea to marry/date Kimberly Guilfoyle is the dem's top choice?
Or, for that matter, the Governor of a state that has lots of unsolved issues. Why isn't a more moderate Democrat elevated to this position?
Because he's good looking and he can string two sentences together and express a coherent thought. That is something neither Biden nor Harris can do.
People like to think they vote issues, but they don't. They just look at someone they think can do the job. Biden obviously cannot, he looks questionable to finish out his term, much less 4 more years. Newsome is right out of Hollywood central casting. If he announces today, he could start picking out the furniture for the Oval Office by Aug.
How is Gavin Newsome a shoo-in? How is it that someone who had the bright idea to marry/date Kimberly Guilfoyle is the dem's top choice?
Or, for that matter, the Governor of a state that has lots of unsolved issues. Why isn't a more moderate Democrat elevated to this position?
Because he's good looking and he can string two sentences together and express a coherent thought. That is something neither Biden nor Harris can do.
People like to think they vote issues, but they don't. They just look at someone they think can do the job. Biden obviously cannot, he looks questionable to finish out his term, much less 4 more years. Newsome is right out of Hollywood central casting. If he announces today, he could start picking out the furniture for the Oval Office by Aug.
...I'm afraid the "good looking" part carries far too much weight...
it wouldn't be kamala, are you kidding me, and it's not newsom's time.
If not Newsom, who would it be? He’s 56 years old, so when will it be his time?
"time" is not an age thing, it's whether the political environment suits newsom running now and winning. you don't drop biden to lose. you drop biden to win. i am sure some republican wants biden out and replaced by even worse some california democrat.
if they want to win it's someone more moderate and chill.
If not Newsom, who would it be? He’s 56 years old, so when will it be his time?
"time" is not an age thing, it's whether the political environment suits newsom running now and winning. you don't drop biden to lose. you drop biden to win. i am sure some republican wants biden out and replaced by even worse some california democrat.
if they want to win it's someone more moderate and chill.
I think it's the complete opposite. The last thing the GOP wants is a younger, better looking, more articulate, polished, experienced politician facing DT.
Biden is in the early stages of dementia and fading fast. He's not going to "get better". You don't heal from senility. He's (or Jill) are not going to drop out.
Trump would beat Newsome easily. The "Joe six-pack" vote in Wisconsin or Pennsylvania would go entirely to Trump over Newsome.
Kamala Harris is dead on arrival.
No liberal Democrat woman can win the presidency because men won't vote for them. Gretchen Whitmer or Michelle Obama would lose. (Different story if a conservative Republican woman ran - easy win.)
Only a Democrat like Josh Shapiro or Dean Phillips could win. Unfortunately, Rafael Warnock could probably win too.
How is Gavin Newsome a shoo-in? How is it that someone who had the bright idea to marry/date Kimberly Guilfoyle is the dem's top choice?
Or, for that matter, the Governor of a state that has lots of unsolved issues. Why isn't a more moderate Democrat elevated to this position?
If Biden is the nominee, I will vote for a 3rd party candidate, and if it’s Newsom, I’ll vote for Newsom. You would actually vote for Biden over Trump, but not for Newsom?
You might but the average midwestern is not voting Newsom. He's comes across as a slimly California used car salesman.
If not Newsom, who would it be? He’s 56 years old, so when will it be his time?
"time" is not an age thing, it's whether the political environment suits newsom running now and winning. you don't drop biden to lose. you drop biden to win. i am sure some republican wants biden out and replaced by even worse some california democrat.
if they want to win it's someone more moderate and chill.
Newsome would be a complete joke and a record that can be torn to shreds..he may look the part, and you may loathe TRump. But this guy took a State surplus $ wise and Turned it into an almost or greater $80B hole/deficit, everyone of his metros, looks like and is a shi- hole now. That is not debatable. Even my best friend for 55 years, who is a die hard liberal and has lived in SF for 42 years says so. He lives on Oakland/SF city line. And knows both intimately and says it is horrific. Newsome's record to run on is a certain loser, and Harris will never allow it, unless they get a resignation and she gets a Surpeme Court seat and that would be almost as laughable.
I agree Biden won. I believe maybe 35-40% of all Americans would vote for anyone over Trump, but it’s not 51%. Some of the center left and right thought Biden would be better for the country in 2020. The debate changed that for most of that group.
Trump is going to win, unless they put Newsome on the ticket, and I’m not even sure that would change the outcome this late in the game.
You forget that the winner does not need 51% or even 50%. The winner can have even less votes and still 'win'.
The ONLY way Biden drops out is if Trumps drop out.
It was one debate. Chill out. Both of these dudes are mentally impaired.
Trump had never had more than 47% of the vote. He lost 46.8 to 51.3 in 2020 and he 'won' in 2016 with 46.1 to 48.2 for Hillary.
He does not have more support in 2024 than in 2020.
Since Bush in '88 only Obama has won with 51%+. Bush '04 even has over 50% (50.7) riding high as a 'war-time president'.
All that to say....Trump will lose more than Biden will win.
Alan
Wishful thinking. You're showing your bias. Accept it. Trump is your next President. It's over.
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