Mentioned this on the other US Women Steeplechasers thread -- many athletes use social media only when life is sunshine & roses but leave us in the dark when it's not.
Frerichs has had social media for a long time. She should have informed everyone when she DNS'd the Payton Jordan meet which was to be her outdoor season opener. That was the first sign something was up. By going dark on her social media she just fueled the speculation.
So, don't hate the sport.
Hate the athletes for their lack of transparency & social media behavior.
Yeah I remember you mentioned it. I had noted her long absence on Instagram. But I gave Frerichs the benefit of a doubt when she deserved none.
How can she withhold this type of information? It wasn't a sprain or anything with the slightest possibility of recovery prior to trials. Yet she said nothing and even allowed her name to show up on the Pre Classic entry list.
Other athletes can base their schedule choices or even their event choices based on information like this. An Olympic medalist absent from the qualifying possibilities is a fairly huge deal, especially when the event already trended toward uncertainty.
Frerichs should have held greater respect toward other women in the steeplechase scope. She can cry all she wants, after revealing her status. She would have received an outpouring of support that would have enhanced her mood.
And beyond that, why wasn't there a leak? Those people did the sport no favors either.
I have read all of the comments and what is baffling me right now is how almost all of you have left out Courtney Wayment. D1 champ, collegiate record holder, world champs team 2022 2nd place to Emma with Frerichs in 3rd, placing, 15th at World's Budapest. Now she is not unstoppable and she's not running the absolute best currently, but she is definitely to be considered as one of the best just like Emma and Frerichs. If she keeps running and improving, you have to know that she will be better than Emma and Frerichs, no question, no contest.
Mentioned this on the other US Women Steeplechasers thread -- many athletes use social media only when life is sunshine & roses but leave us in the dark when it's not.
Frerichs has had social media for a long time. She should have informed everyone when she DNS'd the Payton Jordan meet which was to be her outdoor season opener. That was the first sign something was up. By going dark on her social media she just fueled the speculation.
So, don't hate the sport.
Hate the athletes for their lack of transparency & social media behavior.
Yeah I remember you mentioned it. I had noted her long absence on Instagram. But I gave Frerichs the benefit of a doubt when she deserved none.
How can she withhold this type of information? It wasn't a sprain or anything with the slightest possibility of recovery prior to trials. Yet she said nothing and even allowed her name to show up on the Pre Classic entry list.
Other athletes can base their schedule choices or even their event choices based on information like this. An Olympic medalist absent from the qualifying possibilities is a fairly huge deal, especially when the event already trended toward uncertainty.
Frerichs should have held greater respect toward other women in the steeplechase scope. She can cry all she wants, after revealing her status. She would have received an outpouring of support that would have enhanced her mood.
And beyond that, why wasn't there a leak? Those people did the sport no favors either.
This is honestly the most ridiculous post.
She's an American Nike athlete, so she was probably contractually obligated to run Pre, and hence included in the entry lists prior to notification from her team about being injured.
In terms of the "timing" or "having more respect for the other women" - it's almost like she had bigger things to deal with than posting on Instagram....
But I'm sure she's currently working on the hand-written card you so clearly feel you deserve apologising for "withholding this type of information".
Feel so bad for CF. I have to say that as a former high level steepler, I NEVER practiced the water jump for exactly this reason. Barriers, rarely. Just too high a percentage for injury. Heart goes out to her.
Feel so bad for CF. I have to say that as a former high level steepler, I NEVER practiced the water jump for exactly this reason. Barriers, rarely. Just too high a percentage for injury. Heart goes out to her.
This ^^^^
I went four years (8:52>8:40>8:30>8:22) of college without ever doing "steeple training". Too much risk with nothing to gain by it.. It seemed to work out ok for me, as well.
Very rough spring for US steeplechasers. Emma Coburn gets season-ending ankle injury in Suzhou, now Courtney Frerichs is out after tearing her ACL, MCL, and LCL during practice. Both injuries the result of awkward landings in the water pit.
That's my bad, sorry. Conflated the meniscus tears with the LCL/MCL.
That would be easy to do. Remember meniscus is the padding, usually not serious to tear. Ligaments are serious to tear. Medial and lateral are just relative locations.
Regardless, not a good situation for her, or in especially violent sports.
Not serious except for the osteoarthritis you get later from the bone-on-bone contact and bone spurs.
I said it before. Landing in a water pit on a 45 degree angle is so dangerous esp as fast as everyone is getting. Seems arbitrarily contrived. Just jump over a barrier.
I said it before. Landing in a water pit on a 45 degree angle is so dangerous esp as fast as everyone is getting. Seems arbitrarily contrived. Just jump over a barrier.
I said it before. Landing in a water pit on a 45 degree angle is so dangerous esp as fast as everyone is getting. Seems arbitrarily contrived. Just jump over a barrier.
“2. Meet venue managers can assure that the sloped surface is covered with matting "of sufficient thickness to afford a safe landing and allow for the spikes to grip satisfactorily" as described in Rule 169 (both IAAF and USATF). Such matting is similar to a thick door mat but has larger dimensions; look for it in a home-improvement store.”
“Years ago during the dirt and cinder track era, before uniform steeple specifications were formalized, pits were almost flat and relatively shallow. Modern pits have an upward slope; the water is deeper near the barrier and is within 2 cm of ground level at the departure end. That slope begins approximately 30cm (11.8 inches) forward of the barrier at which point the water is 70cm (27.5 inches) deep.”
“1. Athletes and their coaches should strive for keeping the body's center of gravity in front of the landing foot , even though this may require landing in slightly deeper water. Getting CG forward is a function of speed across the pit, obtained through acceleration on the approach to the pit and maintained by avoiding hesitation atop the barrier before push-off with one foot from the bar's front edge.”
I said it before. Landing in a water pit on a 45 degree angle is so dangerous esp as fast as everyone is getting. Seems arbitrarily contrived. Just jump over a barrier.
“2. Meet venue managers can assure that the sloped surface is covered with matting "of sufficient thickness to afford a safe landing and allow for the spikes to grip satisfactorily" as described in Rule 169 (both IAAF and USATF). Such matting is similar to a thick door mat but has larger dimensions; look for it in a home-improvement store.”
“Years ago during the dirt and cinder track era, before uniform steeple specifications were formalized, pits were almost flat and relatively shallow. Modern pits have an upward slope; the water is deeper near the barrier and is within 2 cm of ground level at the departure end. That slope begins approximately 30cm (11.8 inches) forward of the barrier at which point the water is 70cm (27.5 inches) deep.”
“1. Athletes and their coaches should strive for keeping the body's center of gravity in front of the landing foot , even though this may require landing in slightly deeper water. Getting CG forward is a function of speed across the pit, obtained through acceleration on the approach to the pit and maintained by avoiding hesitation atop the barrier before push-off with one foot from the bar's front edge.”
Ostrander has a chance! Slim, but far more realistic than Quigley, who is nothing more than a fitness influencer/model masquerading as a pro athlete and faking clout by calling herself a national champ (one time in the indoor mile) and WR holder (in the 4x1500).
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