I blackout 2 times a week but still run 1:47

I’m not gonna high road you too much here, that said if I was your teammate I’d be concerned. I get going out a bit, and getting drunk with your friends. It’s college and there’s generally enough time to recover, and not suffer too badly in terms of performance.

However, if you're genuinely blacking out two times per week, and doing hard drugs like coke and molly it will catch up with you. Your performance might not suffer now, but those three substances are super hard on your body. I’m concerned for you, I would seriously consider siting down with a therapist or counselor outside of your athletic program and really look into why you’re living like that.

It’s one thing to have fun, but as a guy that went to a party school and went through a pretty hard phase, it wasn’t actually fun. Most of the time I felt sick, and genuinely wasn’t ok with myself. Luckily I had friends that helped me get myself together. And I get it, you’re probably saying “it’s not a big deal, I’m fine”. I said the same thing. All I can say is that I had an unhealthy relationship with adderall, pot, and alcohol my sophmore year of college. My friends and teammates called me out saying I was being selfish and generally was being a jerk. I got pissed, and my coach told me to get my s**t together and to his credit he arranged for me to meet with an on campus therapist. I was kicked off (probation) spring of my sophomore year, and I could come back if I went to meet with the therapist, maintained my fitness, had good grades and was clean. The therapist helped me work through my problems, there were some serious issues that I wasn’t addressing in lieu of partying.

I calmed down, I continued running, I got fit and made good friends that lived a more stable life. Yeah sure I would go out and have some beers now and again, but I found I actually enjoyed myself more when I wasn’t constantly in need of a substance to either relax, or let loose, or be productive. I found that my life improved across the board, my grades went up my jr and sr year, I got faster and even placed at conferences which was wild considering I was generally very middle of the pack. I became a teammate and friend that people could trust and depend on, someone people actually wanted to be around.

as for your performance I won’t make any promises, but cleaning my act up allowed me to start eating healthier, allowed me to be far more consistent in my training and while there were still highs and lows, overall I got faster and felt stronger as a runner.

In short I don’t think you’re a bad person, but you’re presently being a bad teammate, and you’re likely holding yourself back from living a life that would actually let you feel fulfilled. I hope you see a therapist and take some time to heal up. As someone who was in a similar position, it was one of the best things I’ve ever done. I hope you read this and give yourself a chance to feel better.

If you and your buddies in college drank from 6pm until midnight, when would the blackout start?

One random drug test and it’s over

You clearly do not know anything about alcohol if you think that about hangovers

You are on the cusp of going pro but you still do that to yourself?

Getting blackout drunk is bad for your liver, hydration, and overall recovery due to the fact that alcohol induced sleep doesn’t even really count as sleep. Coke is horrible for your blood pressure and heart, MDMA is pretty okay if you are smart about how often you are dosing and how much you take.

I say keep the harder partying to the off season. You are very very good at the 800m and obviously train hard and well, no one gets to 1:47 off of talent alone, but it’s gonna be the little things that turn 1:47-1:48 guys into 1:44-1:46 guys. Drinking enough alcohol to black out really cancels out a lot of what you are doing nutrition and recovery wise in the 48-72 hours surrounding the party night. Your competition is eating rice beef, chicken and spinach while you are doing something to your body that probably has it in a worse state than if you were fueling off of mcdonald’s and doritos.

You are also gonna get banned if you test positive for coke or NDMA, those are banned stimulants, and as a 1:47 potential NCAA/trials qualifier guy you are gonna get tested more often than a 1:53 college guy.

If you are happy to be a 1:47 guy on scholarship and probably in your schools record books, that’s awesome and partying is fine, but if you wanna take it to the next level you need to cut it out or drastically reduce it. I’m a 1:49 guy and do my fair share of partying but that looks like a good buzz at a party or concert every other week and nothing more for me when I’m in season. I had a season where I had some mental health issues and coped with it poorly which meant a lot of alcohol/weed and either tripping or rolling every 3-4 weeks and I wasn’t running faster than 1:53-1:54 and I felt awful at practice all the time.

Bunch of normal boring runners who've never been had fun on this thread. You can party hard and still run fast. I PRd by 15 seconds in the 1500 one year with a harder lifestyle than this (4min to 3:45ish). But as you get closer to your potential it gets harder to improve. Haven't drank in many months as of right now trying to get that sub 3:40 mark. You have to cultivate that savage mentality to be a successful runner/partier combo; most on this thread will never comprehend that. Because they are normal, boring, average people. They stayed in their dorm on Saturdays for 4 years just to run 1:50 and are pissed you can have fun AND be faster. But they don't understand the mental game of running is at least as important as the physical training. There are different paths for everyone, most can't function at that RPM for long. Hence why I backed off, I'm in a more stoic place in life at the moment. But enjoy the savagery while you're in that phase in life.

If I told you that 2 blackouts a week plus occasional cocaine was the secret to success, you'd recognize how stupid that sounded.

What a moronic thing to post on the internet. We know it’s you, Carter. Let’s see what Coach Sandusky has to say about this.

Cade?

This post is a fraud. I drank like this in college. That can be done no problem. But drugs? Nice try?. I had to answer for poppy seeds on a friggin muffin the 2nd time I ran 1:48. For those of you who don’t know- if you are in college track at a meaningful level - you are getting drug tested early and often. If you run a 1:47 and are an open racer- you are a trials qualifier. You, my friend, will piss on command after almost every time you run like that. That you did it indoors means you haven’t been tested yet and did it at inconsequential dual meet or not at all - in my experience. 1:47 indoors! So you are like a 1:45 outdoors potentially - and not tested? Ha! Not in this country, my man.

I'd really be impressed if you went into a blackout and THEN ran a 1:47. But you'd have to hope somebody was there to watch in order to tell you that you that you actually did it.

Geez- you wrote all that to set up your advice? But your right in your conclusion. If this was a real situation, and anyone who has been there knows it isn’t, getting a therapist or help isn’t the answer. You wanna take the fight out of the dog? Go to therapy! As a high performance athlete who coached high performance athletes- never ever ever ever get yourself in a situation where you need therapy to keep competing (like getting caught using while driving, physical altercations, breaking the law in any way, or remotely close to getting arrested cuz you might get court ordered help. Also, live in Los Angeles where you will never go further than the arrest if that should happen.) I once coached a kid who would get black out drunk and try to do workouts. I called for paramedic help once and ultimately his mother arrived. Kid was a record holder in age groups at a very famous so cal course a couple of years earlier and still killing it. Mom took him to therapy. It worked. Never ran again but went on to live a very well adjusted life. Have lots of stories like that with eating disorders and kids with mania and depression. People make choices and live with them. How many of you wouldn’t do anything to go 1:45? Either on the taking side or quitting it side?

Trust me. The workouts and racing aren’t the problem when carrying on like this. Grades, values and priorities are. I’ve been there. The partying makes the need for speed all the greater. One feeds the other. Again, if you were a partying elite athlete you would know this.

Bro I post here under like 10 different names monthly as a joke- and it’s funny again, I was the only person for a while that thought it Wood be hilarious to be talking about “mdma and running fast” something literally nobody can do cuz it kills you if you do it mutule weekends in a row.. *cough I can run fast off it, like a 51 not a 48 or 49- definitely hurts performance- but I’ll come on here and say I do that and blackout once a week and run like 47 in the 800 or some days say like 13:55. Lol and I’ve been doing that since like 2017 or 2018 and nobody mirrored me- usually this weak people talk about jsut alcohol and lol here is this guy saying he runs 148 and does mdma? It’s a joke. It’s already been done buddy- I could literally screenshot my posts from the last 4 yes saying the same thing. Maybe me escapades with woman are molly I post are true about fffong some Swedish girls or something but running 147 lol. Wait f I literally posted 2 weeks ago or like last week about a guy from Boston winning and running 147 and he told me about molly- THAT WAS TRUE. Previous BU winner in the 800m ran 147 and then he dropped out and got rich and started doing tons of molly and we started talking évacués what we both do for business from Facebook.

so yeah- all you kids under 30- stop copying me. I’m always here, and I’m always more manic, and my girls are always hotter- and unfortunately most of it is true, except I only ran a 4:00 1500m and meh. But yeah whoever that little kid is maybe he understands and wanted to try to challenge my precious posts cuz I triggered him- that’s the whole point. Please go do molly every weekend on a Friday and Saturday and hit the clubs hard for 3-4 months and end up at burning man with a bunch of models from Europe and maybe then I’ll be impressed. If I could go back to college I’d be a so trôner and just run the 400m in like 49/50 and bang hot chicks and party. What was I doing giving everything I had to run a 51 400m and like 155 800m.

and yeah dude who posted this- I see you and I literally just went on a date with a Colombian girl who had a husband and he’s a legit gang leader- that is not a joke my life crazy and maybe I’m reckless but I promise everyone else is probably happier and more bored than me. And dumber. I don’t meet maybe Drug addicts like me, who make 200k a year, bench 225 for reps and still run an easy sub 6 mile any given day. I’ll say less so my friends here don’t realize I’m posting, I barely know msyelf, how I could I sing Jen to tell my friends actually how much I do drugs- it’s funny all the “hard emo” friends who like that to be “their identity” started getting pissed in college when a sober nerd started out paries them and being generally cooler. There’s something that fixes one’s power and a way with woman when you break inside and fall into a blackhole of depression so far you come out the other end and it’s paradise. Life is a gift. Death is your friend, it kills you in the end, like love, but also shoes you the way.

also if anyone says they are bipolar- what I thought I was back in 2018- we I’ll still rump you because now im fairly certain I’m schizophrenic or have schizo affective disorder- you don’t get addicted to weed and smoke daily like me, and have hallucinations jsut being bipolar. I’m a megalomaniac and used to joke abo it it in college- unfortunately I didn’t realize I actually was senior year stopped running as much, smoked wee date fist time and now im banging strippers and trying to get them to pay for sex or spending all my money on drugs, again j lost everything to drugs but also I hated my life and they showed me how unique and powerful I am. I could get girls but i would have anxiety, even on alcohol I couldn’t chill, even when balayés, hit thme bong once and now I’m stealing everyone’s girlfriend and yeah I love.

stop copying me- there’s only one of me on these boards and I’m kind just crazy- everyone needs a truly crazy message boarder sometime. This is how I relax at night just posting semi true things on here and seeing if anything relates.

again- like the posted was so weak too. Like I’ve gotten Multiple “highlight threads” if I wanted- I just need to ton down my style and I used to get so many threats going about cheating wives and running and yeah it was fun. I love this community it’s even friendly to the runners who turned into addicts, and sometimes when I’m about to….I come here and feel like I still know people…peace guys

-me

I went in a date which a chick today, she pulls up in her car and I get in, it’s a corvette and she got two pistols trapper to her legs…Letrun is so soft. Can’t wait to see who copies thet story too. I am the Molly poster maybe I’ll jsut start using that name so people can see I littlest post here like 12 -15 times a year as almost a therapy session. I was sober in college mostly so it’s almost nice to show people what can happen if you slow weed once- some people get addicted…

i was a running addict. If you are an addict to running there is a reaosn- the moment I stoped I became a drug addict, if I stopped both I’d probably become a “sex addict” which isn’t really a Tung cuz there is no withdrawal more of a compulsive personality issue

ok bye love you guys. sometime I miss being sober- started skiing in 2015 haven’t took a week off since - it’s so expensive I had to even go from jsut making 40k after college to 200k to sustain - problem is me I’m buying strippers and it’s like bru. Even if I had a fam that’s still cost- woman always cost, whether it’s your soul, sanity, or bank account #neverforget

also most of what I say is true, that’s the joke. Nobody here actually thinks I have done mdma every weekend for 4 months straight but then again, I’ve never met anyone like me that’s a runner. Maybe that famous woman runner who around 2014 left her husband to be an escort in Vegas and she was making money and their was that article on it? It trigged me then, because I realized I wa the same. I don’t like running to run, I just love getting high- unfortunately the high of a 800m or 1500m died out and something else got me<3

This seems like a troll post but I will bite. I was not nearly as fast as you were, but I was a 1:52 800/ 3:52 1500 type of athlete in college. Early college I was a 1:55 and 4:02 type guy and was drinking a decent amount. I felt horrible every day, I remember having a 6 am long run once after drinking till 2 am. I think I was still buzzed the first few miles of the run but still ended up cruisng like 6 flat pace for around 14 miles. I was able to function pretty well drinking heavily, my school was a smaller confernece D1 school so I was able to make confernece finals and was able to be one of our best 800 guys. But I felt horrible. My Junior and Senior year I really cut back on the partying and drinking and ended up really making a jump in perfmromance. I still went out with my teamamtes on the weekends but not nearly to the level I was drinking when I was younger. Honeslty this moderation worked well for me. I think college kids use the term "blackout" too lightly. I blacked out twice in college, and it was a horrible expeirence. Sure there were lots of nights where I was thowing up but I still remembered everything, a true blackout, when you do not remeber anything from the night before is not cool at all. Its pretty horrible and also terrible for both your mental and physical health. I doubt you are actually "blacking out" two nights a week, but even so with 1:47 type speed you have the talent to take your running so much further. You can still go out with your friends but if you do it in moderation I think your body and running will thank you. Who knows that could be the difference to making the trials or becoming an all american.

Cool story bro. Trying out a new piece for your creative writing class?

Speaking of throwing down.

Post-college between my blackouts I trained. One time my coach needed me to do a 4mi race pace and I got coaxed in to hitting a brewery prior to lacing up the kicks. Threw down 4 diesels at the brewery then went out and ran. Was absolutely hammered drunk by mile 2. By mile 4 I was sober and wanted to die.

will never do that again.

Here is the deal does getting drunk effect performance. Yes, it does. In college our coach could not get our team to stop partying. I would get hammered on Saturday drink until 4am and at 8am I was doing an 18 mile long run between 1:32:00 and 1:36:00. I once got hammered drunk the night before running a 29:05 10,000m. Here is the deal you can get away with it right now, but it starts to make recovery impossible. I kept up the same shenanigans well into my 20’s and early 30’s partying and working out hard the day after. The result an inflammatory blockage of my LAD which needed to be stented open it
nearly killed me. I am 41 now and don’t run anymore but still work out incredibly hard. I weight 180 pounds still have abs and am very peculiar about what I put into my body. I do play tournament poker and am now dedicated to that which is very similar to running as the fields are large and the goal is to finish amongst the top if not win. I very rarely drink these days celebratory reasons or on vacation occasionally but not during poker tournaments. The hangovers in your 40’s are not any fun and that stomach cramping the one that makes you have the beer sh!&s that all college guys think is hilarious
that will make you feel like you are going into cardiac arrest later on! Best advice yes you will run faster and also cocaine will kill you or give you a heart attack. Also if you are affraid of not looking the part try some NA Beers they are not bad!

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