Originally I dismissed doping but it makes perfect sense.
He very badly wanted to be nationally recognized (IG, interviews, travelling to east coast indoor meets), had zero oversight in his small town, his dad was very involved. Could be so easy for an adult male to get TRT prescribed by a doctor and hand it off to his son.
Cade was built like a tank as a high school senior and ran like a 46sec 400m. As soon as he gets to college and testing is possible, he sheds 10+ lbs of upper body muscle and reverts to just good-but-not-elite D1 performances.
I think the comparison of Flatt to Sumner is probably easily explained. Sumner's parents (great and established runners in their own right) understood the importance of not overtraining him at a young age.
I think Flatt milked his ability for all it was worth too early in his life for high school glory
Obviously I'm in the minority, but I really enjoyed his attitude. It was very entertaining to me. I really hope he is able to get fast again, I think the sport needs people like him.
Most people don't like narcissists who endlessly talk about themselves.
I don't know him, I've never met him, so I cannot comment on his personality. I do enjoy his commentary though. It's nice to be open minded.
Part of being a successful distance runner is making the right choices for yourself. Flatt made a wrong turn by going to Ole Miss...which has proven to be a Big Miss. You have to be able to size up something before jumping in. Flatt is responsible for his lack of success.
Less intelligent runners often don't get to where they want to go. They don't self-adjust and right their own ship.
that's definitely going to be at the top on the junior college circuit.
49.01!
49 sounds kind of slow, but the .01 makes it almost a 48, which is not too bad for an early season 800m runner who probably hasn't done much speed work. No disrespect to Flatt, but I viewed him as similar to Michael Grandville and Obea Moore...going to the well too many times in H.S. I understand what it means to go after one of the oldest H.S. records. (I get that!) However, repeatedly trying to squeeze everything out of a still developing body, specifically in the 800m and 400m, is dangerous. In horse racing and boxing, when you are still in a growth phase, you are restricted in class and distance and the more talent and dominance you show, the more careful your handlers become about when/where and how you compete. The 800m more so than any event in track & field, streads your body and is not an event where you want to repeatedly go to the well w/o proper recovery. When a school gets a kid like Flatt, the best thing they can do is have him rest a couple months and ease into indoor. - With all of the said; I am certain Flatt is going to do some things on the NCAA level and even perhaps get back to where he was in 2022, but that is as far as my optimism goes and btw, I would love to be wrong on this one.
Originally I dismissed doping but it makes perfect sense.
He very badly wanted to be nationally recognized (IG, interviews, travelling to east coast indoor meets), had zero oversight in his small town, his dad was very involved. Could be so easy for an adult male to get TRT prescribed by a doctor and hand it off to his son.
Cade was built like a tank as a high school senior and ran like a 46sec 400m. As soon as he gets to college and testing is possible, he sheds 10+ lbs of upper body muscle and reverts to just good-but-not-elite D1 performances.
Come on. Innocent until proven guilty. Just pure speculation
Imma say this as someone who was hyped as hell for this kid comin' out of high school, it's a damn shame he came to Ole Miss when he did! Dude was setup for the Van Hoy, Wesfly crew to be rippin 800s with Baylor Franklin, John Rivera, Mario, and the CEO himself! Instead he missed out and now he's fallin' off. Hope he gets back to it but now he's lookin' pretty silly for talkin' all that brash trash back in HS and postin' black and white insta photos with intense captions. Talent don't just up and leave like that so hopin' he can get his legs and head right and rip again. Beta males love to see an alpha fall off but I pray he makes us Letsrun losers look fools soon!
Originally I dismissed doping but it makes perfect sense.
He very badly wanted to be nationally recognized (IG, interviews, travelling to east coast indoor meets), had zero oversight in his small town, his dad was very involved. Could be so easy for an adult male to get TRT prescribed by a doctor and hand it off to his son.
Cade was built like a tank as a high school senior and ran like a 46sec 400m. As soon as he gets to college and testing is possible, he sheds 10+ lbs of upper body muscle and reverts to just good-but-not-elite D1 performances.
I think the comparison of Flatt to Sumner is probably easily explained. Sumner's parents (great and established runners in their own right) understood the importance of not overtraining him at a young age.
I think Flatt milked his ability for all it was worth too early in his life for high school glory
I think the comparison of Flatt to Sumner is probably easily explained. Sumner's parents (great and established runners in their own right) understood the importance of not overtraining him at a young age.
I think Flatt milked his ability for all it was worth too early in his life for high school glory
By running 10 miles a week?
Exactly, its not like Flatt was over trained at all, in fact, in my own opinion is, he ran so little that any increase and there had to be some at least was not that easy to digest. And by the way 49.01? You're kidding me..that is a dime a dozen HS Junior 16-17 year Suburban conference type of winning tome. He is not longer a sub 47 guy, not even close and he has no other event. What has he run 1:50.x in College? I always thought he would never run faster, and if so, very marginally. So far, I would be more than correct.
To be fair, the 49.01 is a step in the right direction after struggling. When he shaves off a second I see him at 1:46 - 47 and that is PR level plus: he's still young.
You are saying PEDs aren't that big difference for 400/800 runners?
Alan
It’s certainly not going to be 5+ seconds for 800m. Is no longer using steroids the reason he ran 1:55 at Millrose last year?
At shorter distances an incremental improvement is a big deal. For Ben Johnson, cheating seemed to be worth about .3 seconds for 100m, which is the difference between not making an Olympic final and setting a WR.
Actually true. I don't like the presumption of doping of a HS athlete, but ngl post #8 sounded pretty convincing. But you must be right that PEDs can't make up for the whole difference between his HS and college times. Maybe not even half. He ran 1:55 at Millrose last year and 1:54 at SECs this year, compared to 1:46 in HS (I think in the semifinals at USAs). He ran 1:49 earlier this year, and ran 1:50 3x last year. This year, he ran 1:54 2 weeks after running 1:49. Is that because he stopped doping before SECs?
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