Imagine feeling the need to go on twitter and complain about the second fastest team in the country… they DESERVE to be there and did what they had to do to qualify. Can’t imagine being an insecure grown man and having to take this opportunity away from athletes who earned it
Does DIII have requirements of how many events have to be completed and teams in a meet like DI?
I don’t remember all of the details but we had a discus thrower hit a bomb but then a tornado rolled through. Meet was pretty much called off but there had not been enough events completed so we ran a 1500m and 400m with one other team so the discus marks could count
Can’t imagine being an insecure grown man and having to take this opportunity away from athletes who earned it
It's a zero-sum game. If one team gets in, one is kept out.*
Who "earned it"? The team that posted a time in a real track meet, or the team that orchestrated a time trial, long after a meet had ended?
I can't imagine staging a fake race to take an opportunity away from athletes who earned it. If we are concerned with "earning it" then it's clear which team did so, within the rules and spirit of the sport.
*(Although to avoid a controversy, the NCAA might waffle and let them both run).
Imagine feeling the need to go on twitter and complain about the second fastest team in the country… they DESERVE to be there and did what they had to do to qualify. Can’t imagine being an insecure grown man and having to take this opportunity away from athletes who earned it
Imagine allegedly being that good and having to have a fake race after everyone has left like a bunch of slime balls.
If they had earned it, this wouldn’t be an issue/thread.
The women's 4x4 was originally scheduled for 3:25 and only 1 team was entered (not Mt.Union). They scratched because there was no other team racing. T
That would be a great trick to pull at conference meets. Let's say some universally hated "Team X" dominates the 4x400 and is about to get enough points to pull ahead and win the meet. Well, you have all the other teams scratch at the last minute so they can't run the race. Then everyone else sneaks back into the building hours after Team X has left and runs the race, under a "revised" schedule!
Heard the BAA is going to revise the 1965 Boston Marathon schedule and add a women’s race, to be held this afternoon. Des Linden is currently the only registered runner.
Imagine calling a bunch of female collegiate athletes “slime balls” for going out and running the second fastest time in the country after literally competing, putting out NCAA leading times, and working out earlier in the day. Do not hide behind a screen and put this on the athletes who work day in and day out. And, if you look at this from a coaching perspective, wouldn’t you want to do anything to have your athletes compete on the biggest stage, especially if they have a chance to win it? They got the “okay” from NCAA officials and did it
They got the “okay” from NCAA officials and did it
Did they have the okay though? There's an awful amount of secrecy behind the running of it. The YouTube video of the 4x400m has disabled comments; the MU release didn't mention the 4x400m qualifying (despite it being the second fastest time nationally) and it wasn't mentioned in the meet recap.
At best, it was a shady practice that MU didn't want to call attention to. But seeing the NCAA disqualified the entry, I find it hard to believe they had given meet management the okay to run the race five hours later
Imagine calling a bunch of female collegiate athletes “slime balls” for going out and running the second fastest time in the country after literally competing, putting out NCAA leading times, and working out earlier in the day. Do not hide behind a screen and put this on the athletes who work day in and day out. And, if you look at this from a coaching perspective, wouldn’t you want to do anything to have your athletes compete on the biggest stage, especially if they have a chance to win it? They got the “okay” from NCAA officials and did it
Take it easy, chuch. No one is calling the girls slimeballs -- they're innocent in this. They ran a great time and don't deserve to be dragged.
The coach however, is absolutely, 100% a scumbag slimeball. This is a total bush-league, amateur move and I would be extremely surprised if anyone at the NCAA actually gave this the OK. If they did, well, they sure backtracked on it quickly!
In other news, the Super Bowl has been rescheduled for 4:45pm today in order to give the 49ers a better shot at winning. Nobody tell the Chiefs, OK? It'll be our little secret!
Kind of funny how slow this time is. D3 distance is competitive but then you have a womens 4x400m running 3:50 and is ranked 2nd in the nation.
Just statistically d3 women will have less depth than men, especially so on relays. Women are allowed more scholarships than men at D1 D2, so more women are on those teams, and more of those women can be on scholarship.
Ie if top 1000 men get d1 scholarships
The next 1000 get d2 scholarships
Man 2001 will have equal financial options at all 3 divisions and is significantly more likely to go d3.
But for women
Top 1500 women get d1 scholarships
Next 1500 get d2 scholarships
D3 starts getting real consideration at the 3001st woman.
So just kinda statistically the d3 women won't have the same caliber as men, and starting 1000 spots lower than men, they will have less depth, reflected especially on relays.
Top d3 men's recruits are roughly equivalent to women's d2 recruits because of the scholarship rules.
They got the “okay” from NCAA officials and did it
Did they have the okay though? There's an awful amount of secrecy behind the running of it. The YouTube video of the 4x400m has disabled comments; the MU release didn't mention the 4x400m qualifying (despite it being the second fastest time nationally) and it wasn't mentioned in the meet recap.
At best, it was a shady practice that MU didn't want to call attention to. But seeing the NCAA disqualified the entry, I find it hard to believe they had given meet management the okay to run the race five hours later
The school probably didn't write about it in their press release because they ran it three hours after the press release went out.
Which is, you know, a totally normal and ethical thing to do.
Kind of funny how slow this time is. D3 distance is competitive but then you have a womens 4x400m running 3:50 and is ranked 2nd in the nation.
Just statistically d3 women will have less depth than men, especially so on relays. Women are allowed more scholarships than men at D1 D2, so more women are on those teams, and more of those women can be on scholarship.
Ie if top 1000 men get d1 scholarships
The next 1000 get d2 scholarships
Man 2001 will have equal financial options at all 3 divisions and is significantly more likely to go d3.
But for women
Top 1500 women get d1 scholarships
Next 1500 get d2 scholarships
D3 starts getting real consideration at the 3001st woman.
So just kinda statistically the d3 women won't have the same caliber as men, and starting 1000 spots lower than men, they will have less depth, reflected especially on relays.
Top d3 men's recruits are roughly equivalent to women's d2 recruits because of the scholarship rules.
Eh, I mean, yes and no. If I'm man #2000 or woman #3000, I'm likely going to the best school I can get into. I'm not turning down admission at MIT or Carnegie Mellon to get a track scholarship to Western Colorado.
Also, just because I was curious, I was looking at the high school times of the two freshmen UW-Lax has qualified in the 200. One has a high school PR of 21.38 and the other has 21.39. You cannot tell me those two dudes are paying full tuition to a glorified community college like UW-Lax when those times could easily get them money at 50% of D1 schools.
Just statistically d3 women will have less depth than men, especially so on relays. Women are allowed more scholarships than men at D1 D2, so more women are on those teams, and more of those women can be on scholarship.
Ie if top 1000 men get d1 scholarships
The next 1000 get d2 scholarships
Man 2001 will have equal financial options at all 3 divisions and is significantly more likely to go d3.
But for women
Top 1500 women get d1 scholarships
Next 1500 get d2 scholarships
D3 starts getting real consideration at the 3001st woman.
So just kinda statistically the d3 women won't have the same caliber as men, and starting 1000 spots lower than men, they will have less depth, reflected especially on relays.
Top d3 men's recruits are roughly equivalent to women's d2 recruits because of the scholarship rules.
Eh, I mean, yes and no. If I'm man #2000 or woman #3000, I'm likely going to the best school I can get into. I'm not turning down admission at MIT or Carnegie Mellon to get a track scholarship to Western Colorado.
Also, just because I was curious, I was looking at the high school times of the two freshmen UW-Lax has qualified in the 200. One has a high school PR of 21.38 and the other has 21.39. You cannot tell me those two dudes are paying full tuition to a glorified community college like UW-Lax when those times could easily get them money at 50% of D1 schools.
UW lax has instate tuition of 9k. How many d1 schools could get their tuition to 9k without giving giving close to a 75%+ scholarship?
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