We’ll see if he can get fully past the injuries. Tim could not. He suffered an injury in August of 2020 and while he can manage it well enough to get Tokyo silver, Comm Games silver and a 3:29.08 last year it is clear he’s not the same guy and it rears its ugly head every few months. We’ll see if that changes.
Hard to know -I thought maybe Timothy was back when he beat Jakob in the DL final some weeks after the Olympics, and again when he started quite good in 2023… Hard to compare two athletes -we’ve got the age difference, and the depth of the injury, and so on. Saying that Jakob really surprises when he reveals that he has suffered from injuries constantly since 2019, and even had to deal with them in between the races in 2023… -Gives some hopes when it comes to what a young athlete can achieve even with some injuries and sickness.
I’ll say, “Wake up from your dream, little Jakob fan boy, time to get ready for school.”
Nothing wrong with being a Jakob "fan boy", he is a pretty good runner. Josh K has some good mojo going right now, and if he keeps it going into Paris he will definitely be one of the favorites. That being said, Jakob isn't stupid and knows what he needs to do to win. He also is coming off some down time due to the achilles issue and if he's healthy he's going to be well rested and ready to go in Paris. Also, Josh K has taken some of the heat off of Jakob going into Paris with being the current world outdoor 1500m champ and having a great indoor season, the question is if he can shoulder being the favorite.
Should be an awesome 1500m final, and don't forget about Yared, he may smack both those boys down and steal the gold medal.
Jakob has certainly inspired other competitors in the 1500 to raise their game, and as a result, it is now one of the most exciting events to watch. That said, I think there is a reasonable chance that he doesn't even medal at the Olympics. Kerr and Nuguse are running exceptionally well while he has been injured. We don't know how well his recovery is going. There are several others who have great kicks who can probably match him in a kicker's race. It will be fascinating to watch, for sure. I'm neither rooting for or against him, but am just hoping for a competitive, exciting final. Just for fun, my prediction for the Paris medal stand is: 1) Kerr 2) Nuguse 3) Hocker.
Jakob has been injured. He's behind in training. It's March. Josh has him figured out right now and I don't see Jakob's running strategy changing anytime soon. Josh has a faster kick. Jakob will be in trouble as long as Josh is healthy and fit.
Josh’s kick against a sick man was quite unimpressive, and if Nordås had started his kick a little sooner he would have taken the gold. Saying that Kerr is now improving, and is starting to look like the real deal…
Stop with the "sick man". A sick runner doesn't run and if he were foolish enough to do so he would come last or not finish. A cough or a runny nose is not "sick". Whatever his team doctor said after the race was intended to support Ingebrigtsen with his excuses. The doctor isn't going to publicly contradict him or he's off the team.
I am actually starting to think that Jakob should skip 1500m altogether. After his achilles injury it is unlikely that he will be able to solo run faster than 3:28.5. Anything slower than that will 100% get him beaten by Kerr and/or Nuguse. If only one more runner (i.e. Cheruiyot, Nordas, Hocker, Wightman, Laros) will make progress, he might even be out of medals altogether.
Jakob will be in shape for Paris. The question is Kerr. We've seen a lot of february-bloomers who withers before summer season. It is possible to be in monster shape both in winter and summer, but I think you are better off with one training peak like this. 40% chance that Kerr will be injured or not i good shape at the Olympics.
Jakob has been injured. He's behind in training. It's March. Josh has him figured out right now and I don't see Jakob's running strategy changing anytime soon. Josh has a faster kick. Jakob will be in trouble as long as Josh is healthy and fit.
I don’t agree. I don’t think “Josh has him figured out right now” -a better way to put it I think is that Josh always has sort of figured Jakob out, but hasn’t been good enough to beat him anyway… Before now…
Just rewatch the WC 2023 -Josh hasn’t figured out Jakob in the sense that he is glued to Jakob’s back, and then out kicks him with a superior kick. Not at all. (This could maybe have some truth in it if we talk about Wightman vs Jakob in WC 2022, but even here Jake isn’t glued to the leaders back -some of his genius in this race was that he managed to run close to the rail for quite some time). And where Jake easily passed Jakob before the last bend Josh didn’t…
I know both Wightman and Kerr are saying they have a recipe to beat Jakob. But it isn’t that easy as they seem to think -in both 2022/23 I think the British won because they were the better runners that day, not because of a kick.(They hadn’t saved that much energy during the race compared to Jakob). An eventual front running from Jakob doesn’t mean one can skip fighting in the field for the rail / the leaders back / and so on.
The best examples I can find is Jakob’s two races against Lewandowski in indoors Euros in 2019 and 2020: The first year was an extremely slow race where Jakob took the lead quite late (around the half mark..?) and Marcin kicked him down quite easily from well behind the last 2-300m…
So what was Jakob’s recipe the next year? -Less front running? Not at all; more front running, and in a fast pace. -Lewandowski was without a chance..! So I think Kerr best card is not his kick or strategy, but the thing he is doing just now: getting better and stronger…
Stop with the "sick man". A sick runner doesn't run and if he were foolish enough to do so he would come last or not finish. A cough or a runny nose is not "sick". Whatever his team doctor said after the race was intended to support Ingebrigtsen with his excuses. The doctor isn't going to publicly contradict him or he's off the team.
You’ve got a point here, but your problem is that Jakob ran at least two seconds slower than expected..
Stop with the "sick man". A sick runner doesn't run and if he were foolish enough to do so he would come last or not finish. A cough or a runny nose is not "sick". Whatever his team doctor said after the race was intended to support Ingebrigtsen with his excuses. The doctor isn't going to publicly contradict him or he's off the team.
You’ve got a point here, but your problem is that Jakob ran at least two seconds slower than expected..
It was a race, not a time trial. If he had run in the indoor world championships (assuming he was not sick), he would similarly have likely run well slower than his best - because that is typically the case with championship races. Ask Centro. (And Njordas).
I’m just curious. All of a sudden Josh Kerr is a demigod. WR was awesome. 3k was great. Nothing indicates he’s going to blow Jakob out of the water like everyone says. I’m just saying, when he beats him head to head (11-1?) what is everyone going to say.
When did Jakob destroy the field over the last two world championships?
J Ingebrigtsen's training is meant to produce fast 1500m to 2 mile races with paid pacers. If elite 5000m runners race at a comfortably aerobic pace first 4000m, elite 5000m are allowing J I to win. Note: The last time J Ingebrigtsen lost an elite 5000m race, race was won with a sub-13. I don't know if racing 5000m slightly under 13 will be enough in 2024, certainly sub-12:50 would make it difficult for J Ingebrigtsen.
It was a race, not a time trial. If he had run in the indoor world championships (assuming he was not sick), he would similarly have likely run well slower than his best - because that is typically the case with championship races. Ask Centro. (And Njordas).
A race (championship) can under special circumstances be front run like a time trial. Cheruiyot was in WC 2019 pretty close to that situation. Okay -he was some tens of a second shy of his pb, but given that his 3.28.41 was “weak” it was endangered. (Winning was of course the most important and fast time was his recipe).
Jakob had a similar situation. He must have thought after the semifinal that he could do 3.26 high in a solo front run. Of course a time trail usually is with pacers, but I’m pretty sure Jakob thought he could pr without, given his better form than in Silesia, where pacers was practically a non factor (he didn’t follow them). So I don’t think your race opposed to time trial is valid here…
There are so many strong indications of Jakob-sickness here. He had a down after an all time high before and in the semifinals that clearly lasted even through the 5000m where he was nothing like the year before (despite his progression in all events). And a week after the champs he was superb again. Of course he was sick during WC!
J Ingebrigtsen's training is meant to produce fast 1500m to 2 mile races with paid pacers. If elite 5000m runners race at a comfortably aerobic pace first 4000m, elite 5000m are allowing J I to win. Note: The last time J Ingebrigtsen lost an elite 5000m race, race was won with a sub-13. I don't know if racing 5000m slightly under 13 will be enough in 2024, certainly sub-12:50 would make it difficult for J Ingebrigtsen.
600m man! In the 5000m final inDoha 2019 Jakob had just turned 19. If Jakob had been in his 2022 WC final (water sipping) shape in Doha he would have destroyed the field.
So a sub 12:50 would make it difficult for Jakob? Have you forgot Florens 2021?
And the 3000m DL final last year where he beat the low 12:40 runners Kejelcha, Haile Bekele, Barega and Aregawi ON TIRED LEGS.
Jakob could obviously have broken 12:40 last year considering the above 3000m and especially his 2 mile WB.
If Jakob overcomes his injury problems he will continue to destroy the 5000m fields. It doesn´t matter if the pace is fast or not since he has a superior aerobic capacity even to the East Africans and is a faster finisher.
J Ingebrigtsen's training is meant to produce fast 1500m to 2 mile races with paid pacers. If elite 5000m runners race at a comfortably aerobic pace first 4000m, elite 5000m are allowing J I to win. Note: The last time J Ingebrigtsen lost an elite 5000m race, race was won with a sub-13. I don't know if racing 5000m slightly under 13 will be enough in 2024, certainly sub-12:50 would make it difficult for J Ingebrigtsen.
600m man! In the 5000m final inDoha 2019 Jakob had just turned 19. If Jakob had been in his 2022 WC final (water sipping) shape in Doha he would have destroyed the field.
So a sub 12:50 would make it difficult for Jakob? Have you forgot Florens 2021?
And the 3000m DL final last year where he beat the low 12:40 runners Kejelcha, Haile Bekele, Barega and Aregawi ON TIRED LEGS.
Jakob could obviously have broken 12:40 last year considering the above 3000m and especially his 2 mile WB.
If Jakob overcomes his injury problems he will continue to destroy the 5000m fields. It doesn´t matter if the pace is fast or not since he has a superior aerobic capacity even to the East Africans and is a faster finisher.
Poster, you are not confusing Diamond League circus meets with real T&F meets are you? You meant Florence, ITL, correct? I ignore all Diamond League meets. The majority of Diamond League meets are partial meets. IMO, events with a paid pacer is cheating.
Jakob excels in time trials with pacemakers. There are no pacemakers in the Olympics. In his one championship win he won by outkicking Cheruiyot, not by leading. Jakob needs to be in top form to win from the front which requires a perfect buildup. But this year his has been hampered by injury. I'm not counting him out but he's not the favorite anymore, just a top contender.
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