Here is another issue. What do you people think an 8:20 is “equivalent” to? Probably about a 14:25 5000m. There are a lot of women who can run that fast, especially when paced the entire way the way that ESP was.
Anyone else in the world wins this race and you'd say indoor nobody cares about the indoor 3k.
No, I wouldn't actually. It was still a very fast time and great performance regardless for an American. Hocker, Kessler, Hiltz, and Mackey all had great runs despite not winning. Runners that show and perform deserve credit.
I don't care if it was indoors in an off-distance event against a theoretically weaker field. First off, #3 athlete all time and #4 time ever in the event, American record and Championship record. Beat multi-time world champ and multi-time world record holder in Tsegay. Beat Chepkoech, who has some records and wins of her own. Beat probably the best non-African 1500 runner ever in Laura Muir. Beat Jess Hull, who is the best Australian distance runner ever. Outkicked a handful of insanely good kickers. Perfect strategy from start to finish and unbelievable kick. All done a year after giving birth.
I put this up there with performances like Coburn/Frerichs steeplechase 1-2, Jenny Simpson 1500 win, Joanie marathon win, Billy Mills 10k win, Centro 1500 win, Lagat 1500/5000 double. What a performance. An absolute clinic in how to win a championship race.
It’s up there for me but I put Athing Mu’s 800m Olympic gold and Joanie Benoit’s marathon Olympic gold above it.
I don't really consider the 800m to be a distance event. It's really anaerobic for most of the race. Otherwise, Brazier, Mu, and Wottle deserve recognition.
Pretty good list with maybe a couple who would struggle to do it (certainly at the moment) and a couple missing who could hit that time under the right circumstances. Freweyni Hailu in particular should start getting some recognition for the indoor season she’s had + 3 DL wins last year + 1:57/3:54/4:14/14:23 PRs. I left out her 8:26 3k because it was a more tactical DL win not representative of her max ability, as you’d be the first to point out. Not that any of this makes Purrier’s performance any less awesome.
OK I apologize for my earlier post where I insulted you. You were out of line though. You are one of the few who knows his stuff so you don’t need to attack people personally.
What a clown. You were acting like a condescending ass, and I don’t mean that personally. Now you walk it halfway back because I agree with part of what you’re saying, while trying to maintain that you’re apparently the ultimate arbiter of what’s acceptable interaction on this board. I don’t know if you know I’m an alcoholic (currently 16 months sober) from my previous admissions on this forum, or if “go have another drink” was a random shot, but that would be “personal.”
Here is another issue. What do you people think an 8:20 is “equivalent” to? Probably about a 14:25 5000m. There are a lot of women who can run that fast, especially when paced the entire way the way that ESP was.
More like 14:19. That’s what the World Athletics points calc has 8:20 equivalent to and it seems about right to me. In other words very fast for a championship race with a nice kick. Yes it’s not near the WR but that is irrelevant.
Here is another issue. What do you people think an 8:20 is “equivalent” to? Probably about a 14:25 5000m. There are a lot of women who can run that fast, especially when paced the entire way the way that ESP was.
More like 14:19. That’s what the World Athletics points calc has 8:20 equivalent to and it seems about right to me. In other words very fast for a championship race with a nice kick. Yes it’s not near the WR but that is irrelevant.
You cannot go by World Athletics. But IF we did, that would make ESP’s progression more suspicious than Shelby’s.
Of the current great female middle distance runners who could run 8:20 (only two in history have - Tsgay and Dibba) who was missing from the field other than Faith?
There are currently at least 10 female runners who have the ability to run 8:20. This is elementary stuff.
Really?
Well, until they DO, there are only 3 women in the world that ever have. St. Pierre is one of them.
I know you meant that as a compliment to Heras Katir is a great runner, but Katir I heard was getting a PED or Whereabout or something like that Suspension and some readers might think you are implying she is doing that.
Just the wrong person to compare her to at this time as somemight take it as an insult.
I know you meant that as a compliment to Heras Katir is a great runner, but Katir I heard was getting a PED or Whereabout or something like that Suspension and some readers might think you are implying she is doing that.
Just the wrong person to compare her to at this time as somemight take it as an insult.
Of the current great female middle distance runners who could run 8:20 (only two in history have - Tsgay and Dibba) who was missing from the field other than Faith?
Gidey has run 8:20 and Sifan ran 8:18. I'm sure there are others. Amazing race though
Well, until they DO, there are only 3 women in the world that ever have. St. Pierre is one of them.
Actually it is closer to like 13 who have.
Yep, as I’m sure you know it’s exactly 13. 4 of them, including the top 3, did it at the 1993 Chinese national championships (“Ma’s Army”). One is Niyonsaba, a DSD athlete, at 8:19. The fastest non-Chinese time is Dibaba’s 8:16.60. So 8:20 seems pretty fast to me.
I don't care if it was indoors in an off-distance event against a theoretically weaker field. First off, #3 athlete all time and #4 time ever in the event, American record and Championship record. Beat multi-time world champ and multi-time world record holder in Tsegay. Beat Chepkoech, who has some records and wins of her own. Beat probably the best non-African 1500 runner ever in Laura Muir. Beat Jess Hull, who is the best Australian distance runner ever. Outkicked a handful of insanely good kickers. Perfect strategy from start to finish and unbelievable kick. All done a year after giving birth.
I put this up there with performances like Coburn/Frerichs steeplechase 1-2, Jenny Simpson 1500 win, Joanie marathon win, Billy Mills 10k win, Centro 1500 win, Lagat 1500/5000 double. What a performance. An absolute clinic in how to win a championship race.
I'd put St Pierre's win on par with--or maybe a notch below--Rupp's silver in London 2012. Both ran tactically perfect races and neither Tsegay nor KB were tip top, but the 10k field was stronger than St Pierre's overall opposition in 3k.
Yep, as I’m sure you know it’s exactly 13. 4 of them, including the top 3, did it at the 1993 Chinese national championships (“Ma’s Army”). One is Niyonsaba, a DSD athlete, at 8:19. The fastest non-Chinese time is Dibaba’s 8:16.60. So 8:20 seems pretty fast to me.
We all need to remember we are talking about INDOOR here.
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