HS 4:02 and 2 mile best ever time not eligible for PA state meet?

if my college sends some kids to x meet but a few great ones to y elite meet that same weekend, both including college kids, they probably know ahead of time that meet y also counts as a college time. they in fact are sending you to y to improve your chances at NCAA postseason. say, one of the big meets in NY or boston.

not as an exception to the season as this kid was.

does diamond league count for NCAA times? it'd be like you skip the season, run the first meets in europe or whatever, then ask to be let in a regional based on your diamond league time. it's not like you send some kids to podunk U indoors and some to new balance. we agree ahead of time both meets count, and fair or unfair the faster kids may get invited to meets with the other fastest kids from other schools. if your school has the budget you can do both.

if i am reading right the last place kid at the same state meet last year ran 4:26. are you telling me golden boy couldn't cruise a 4:20 one weekend to lay down a qualifying marker then run 100% for state? call it a workout. couldn't even do that once?

If he ran that slow then he would not have been in the fast heat. This race is in heats with places determined by time. 2 heats of 10 and now one of 11.

This kid's the fastest ever two miler indoors in the United States and the fastest miler in Pennsylvania, so it is a no brainer to let him run the state meet.

Hoey,the pacer was a PA HS kid who turned Pro. He and his brother did not run for their HS.I believe they ran in this meet when they were in HS?

This meet is run by the Coaches Association and not the State Federation and therefore their are no classifications and any school or athlete can compete even if their school does not belong to the PIAA State Federation as long as their coach belongs to the Coaches Association,PTFCA. So non-members such as Private/Prep,Parochial,or Charter Schools etc.are eligible to enter.

Yeah, if you have no brain then you let him run the state meet.

Those with brains will say there is no magic threshold where the rules suddenly don't apply to you anymore. What would it be? Fastest, 2nd fastest? 3rd fastest? What if he set the record, and somebody beat it later? Does he lose his magic threshold because he is not fastest anymore? If there is an exception written down in the rules ahead time, then sure he could qualify for an existing exception.

It says a lot about a person when they think the rules shouldn't apply to them. I am sure this has changed his image in the minds of many track fans. He probably doesn't care, but that doesn't change it.

That sounds harsh, and I will give him a little leeway until I hear what the reason is for making the change. But it had better be something more than, "He is the fastest, so we ignored the rules." That is a horrible life lesson. If they can reasonably make the argument with the existing rules, then OK. Right now all I hear are bad faith arguments. I am hoping for something better. And I do hope they try to give a reason, without it they are just leaving him hanging with a bad look. That doesn't help anyone.

This still irritates me. I am a brand new coach and even I know that races with pro or college athletes can not be used in our state results. Our athletes run these races unaffiliated with our school in season.

You must coach slow kids .

How does that change anything? So if he skips the state qualifier during outdoor, do you want to give him a spot at the state meet rather than another kid who qualified? How about if the best basketball team in the country is from your state and they skip the state qualifying game to play against a college team? Do you just place them in the state championship game?

I do believe he shouldn’t have been let in, however I agree the rule is pointless. NIL, social media, and overall talent has changed the elite high school scene and it’s much more favorable to go to these meets. That being said, the PTFCA council originally voted to not let him in that morning, but the President stepped in that afternoon and got them to change it. Definitely was a “he’s the biggest name in the state, we have to have him” situation. Hopefully they change the rule next year so that this becomes legal, otherwise this is completely unfair.

While remaining anonymous, it benefits me pretty significantly that he got into the mile. I am running in the DMR later that day and had he been fresh, his school likely would win the race by a large margin. With him being on tired legs, it makes him less (but still) a threat.

I don't understand how the things you mentioned would drive you to say that the rule doesn't matter. The rule is literally the basis of high school sports. To qualify for the state high school meet, you have to compete in a high school race.

With 3 minutes rest, he could run 4+ of them, and that should get him in.

Too bad he didn't. Maybe they should just cancel the meet and award 1st place to him. We don't need meets according to some posters because we know who is best and the best don't need to race to prove it. Number 1 Uconn lost last night. Glad they weren't just handed a forfeit win.

Who cares about the state meet, he has many big meets ahead of him in outdoor track as well as beyond at Notre Dame in the ACC. So he does not get an easy state individual championship, let someone who normally would not win get a victory for once.