balckmoney wrote:
why are there so many racists here who think someone should not be fired because their skin color?
Thanks for supporting me!
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Captain Obvious... wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
From someone who has researched and published on issues of systemic racism in sports, let me say...
Do we know this coach was fired because of racism? Absolutely not.
Do we know that minority coaches in professional and college football tend to be fired more quickly than white coaches with similar performance metrics? Yes. The data bears that out.
But the longer I am around, the more I see that people (at an individual level) can be fired for things that are never made public, for the good of both parties. Was this coach incredibly hard to get along with all season? Did he ignore advice or direct orders from the head coach late in this game? Both are certainly possible.
Was his dismissal racist, or was it just general scapegoating?
Who knows.
Show us your "data".
Then explain to us how Patrick Ewing lasted so long at Georgetown when it was obvious early-on that he couldn't coach a lick? Also explain how Juwan Howard still is the coach at Michigan, despite also not being able to coach a lick, AND repeatedly getting into physical altercations with opposing coaches, Michigan staff members, etc? Tons of other examples.
Your narrative is garbage. Crap coaches come in all skin-tones.
Not sure why you are taking an adversarial tone when we probably agree. There absolutely are terrible coaches, both white and minorities, that get fired too soon and that get to stay too long (particularly at their alma mater).
We have no idea if the coach in question in this thread was fired for racist reasons or not.
My comment was regarding the data for larger trends, which have nothing to do with this coach or that.
I'm not digging to the peer-reviewed papers. You can do that yourself. But here is a sampling of articles that cover it pretty well.
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Shanahan blows leads wrote:
Lets try to remember that Shanahan has blown two ten point leads in the super bowl as head coach and was offensive coordinator when Atlanta blew a 28-3 lead to the Patriots. Seems like when push comes to shove, Shanahan gets outcoached in the big game granted it was to Belicheck and Reid twice.
Exactly. Kyle Shanahan was only given opportunities because of his father. Rode the bench at Texas. He isn't that good of a coach and can't handle the biggest moments. 5yrs removed from graduating college and 28yrs old, he was Offensive Coordinator for the Houston Texans. White priviledge and influence from daddy. This right here is the problem. In 2008 when hired as the OC for the Houston Texans, there were hundreds of more qualified coaches, black and white who know the game at its highest levels 10x more intimately than a 28yr. college bench warming wide receiver.
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Lets not forget his daddy, Mike Shanahan, hired him as Offensive Coordinator while at Washington in 2010. Nepotism at it finest.
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RossiCheated wrote:
Captain Obvious... wrote:
Show us your "data".
Then explain to us how Patrick Ewing lasted so long at Georgetown when it was obvious early-on that he couldn't coach a lick? Also explain how Juwan Howard still is the coach at Michigan, despite also not being able to coach a lick, AND repeatedly getting into physical altercations with opposing coaches, Michigan staff members, etc? Tons of other examples.
Your narrative is garbage. Crap coaches come in all skin-tones.
Not sure why you are taking an adversarial tone when we probably agree. There absolutely are terrible coaches, both white and minorities, that get fired too soon and that get to stay too long (particularly at their alma mater).
We have no idea if the coach in question in this thread was fired for racist reasons or not.
My comment was regarding the data for larger trends, which have nothing to do with this coach or that.
I'm not digging to the peer-reviewed papers. You can do that yourself. But here is a sampling of articles that cover it pretty well.
There's less black coaches so the statistics are skewed by the smaller sample size.
Jumping on this and assuming racism is ridiculous particularly given the NFL's complete submission to BLM.
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Stater of the obvious. wrote:
Jumping on this and assuming racism is ridiculous particularly given the NFL's complete submission to BLM.
Right.
All those black owners in the NFL and in the media
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458777 wrote:
Exactly. Kyle Shanahan was only given opportunities because of his father. Rode the bench at Texas. He isn't that good of a coach and can't handle the biggest moments. 5yrs removed from graduating college and 28yrs old, he was Offensive Coordinator for the Houston Texans. White priviledge and influence from daddy. This right here is the problem. In 2008 when hired as the OC for the Houston Texans, there were hundreds of more qualified coaches, black and white who know the game at its highest levels 10x more intimately than a 28yr. college bench warming wide receiver.
Probably would have won the Super Bowl if he didn't have a diversity hire defensive coordinator.
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Stater of the obvious. wrote:
particularly given the NFL's complete submission to BLM.
You keep asserting that as if it is true and not as if anything they do is performative and without substance.
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Well, Shanahan was cya for a team with a large # of stars losing out again by firing his dc. Was that racial? Not necessarily. You'd have to know what's going on in his head or what he said to various people. Of course, there is also the possibility in any given situation that a general belief in the incompetence of people of other races can easily be reenforced in the event of some problem such as a loss. Here there is no way of knowing whether he'd have gotten credit for his accomplishments rather than being fired for what the team did not accomplish, if he were white.
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eeeeesh wrote:
Stater of the obvious. wrote:
particularly given the NFL's complete submission to BLM.
You keep asserting that as if it is true and not as if anything they do is performative and without substance.
They play the anthem. They have BLM slogans on the helmets and on the field.
They run a league that's majority black.
If you look for racism behind every tree your entire life you will think you see racism everywhere.
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Stater of the obvious. wrote:
eeeeesh wrote:
You keep asserting that as if it is true and not as if anything they do is performative and without substance.
They play the anthem. They have BLM slogans on the helmets and on the field.
They run a league that's majority black.
These are substantive contributions that equate to worshipping and complete submission to BLM?
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The ability of two college coaches who were all-time greats and legends at their alma maters to continue to be employed at those institutions for years is entirely irrelevant to NFL coaching decisions. Juwan Howard did really well his second year at Michigan, 23-5, but has done worse each year since and will probably be pushed out because his winning record (.572) isn't good enough at Michigan and they're going the wrong direction. Patrick Ewing was fired last year after six seasons, just 75-109, 7-25 in his last season. He led that program as a player in its best years to national prominence and so got that chance. So, one was fired, the other probably will be soon.
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eeeeesh wrote:
Stater of the obvious. wrote:
They play the anthem. They have BLM slogans on the helmets and on the field.
They run a league that's majority black.
These are substantive contributions that equate to worshipping and complete submission to BLM?
When the corrupt response to BLM is dismissal and ignoring a racist movement. Yes.
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OK buddy wrote:
Yeah lets blame Kyle for firing the black man while not giving him any credit for hiring and working with DeMeco Ryans. By the way, in case anyone has doubts about Shanahan, I suggest you lookup what Shanahan said about Ryans prior to him getting hired by the Texans. Hint - it was the opposite of negative.
Kyle was only hired because of his father, that is how he got started. How in the hell are you an Offensive Coordinator at age 28? His claim to fame was being a bench warmer at Texas and his daddy was an NFL head coach.
DeMarco Ryans was an All-American linebacker at Alabama and played in the NFL. He was a Pro-Bowler and was NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year. He knows the game at its most highest levels and has proven to be a great coach, as evidenced by what he did at Houston this year. Ryans, Raheem Morris and Mike Tomlin are I believe the only black head coaches who were under 40 before getting a head coaching position in the NFL. Tomlin has never finished below .500 since lead Pittsburgh in 2007. But somehow folks like Sean McVay are given HC jobs in the NFL at 30 and Lane Kiffin at 31, along with dozens of other white guys given HC jobs in their 30's in NFL modern era history.
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i know where wrote:
458777 wrote:
Exactly. Kyle Shanahan was only given opportunities because of his father. Rode the bench at Texas. He isn't that good of a coach and can't handle the biggest moments. 5yrs removed from graduating college and 28yrs old, he was Offensive Coordinator for the Houston Texans. White priviledge and influence from daddy. This right here is the problem. In 2008 when hired as the OC for the Houston Texans, there were hundreds of more qualified coaches, black and white who know the game at its highest levels 10x more intimately than a 28yr. college bench warming wide receiver.
Probably would have won the Super Bowl if he didn't have a diversity hire defensive coordinator.
Shanahan isn't qualified to be an NFL coach....period.
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Hispanic man from the Bronx did not win the most recent MegaMillions lottery drawing.
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Stater of the obvious. wrote:
eeeeesh wrote:
These are substantive contributions that equate to worshipping and complete submission to BLM?
When the corrupt response to BLM is dismissal and ignoring a racist movement. Yes.
Freudian slip, mate.
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Stater of the obvious. wrote:
eeeeesh wrote:
These are substantive contributions that equate to worshipping and complete submission to BLM?
When the
corruptresponse to BLM is dismissal and ignoring a racist movement. Yes.That should say correct response.
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coaching? wrote:
i know where wrote:
Probably would have won the Super Bowl if he didn't have a diversity hire defensive coordinator.
Shanahan isn't qualified to be an NFL coach....period.
He's been to 3 Super Bowls....period.
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eeeeesh wrote:
Stater of the obvious. wrote:
When the corrupt response to BLM is dismissal and ignoring a racist movement. Yes.
Freudian slip, mate.
That's not what Freudian slip means.
There's nothing "corrupt" about disdaining a disdainful movement.
The leaders of BLM have all taken their stolen money and retired from public life for a reason.
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