So many ill-informed people here. Look at the Road to Paris list. It's full of East Africans and after Tokyo will be full of Japs too. Asking which country can have more than 3 is ignorant.
Korir's sponsor should offer cash to any US runner who helps him qualify for the olympics
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Here's a thought, and I have not researched this. Perhaps the Brojos could reach out to find out.
Let's say on the Road to Paris list there are 30 Kenyans. Wouldn't it be fair if once Athletics Kenya chooses their team, those remaining Kenyans would be removed from the list?
Would this open up the field to slow guys? Or would it allow for guys like Lenny and others in a similar situation to then be confirmed?
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Mike Rodick wrote:
So many ill-informed people here. Look at the Road to Paris list. It's full of East Africans and after Tokyo will be full of Japs too. Asking which country can have more than 3 is ignorant.
More ignorant than saying "Japs"?
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Mike Rodick wrote:
Here's a thought, and I have not researched this. Perhaps the Brojos could reach out to find out.
Let's say on the Road to Paris list there are 30 Kenyans. Wouldn't it be fair if once Athletics Kenya chooses their team, those remaining Kenyans would be removed from the list?
Would this open up the field to slow guys? Or would it allow for guys like Lenny and others in a similar situation to then be confirmed?
Got it, you’re trolling. Sorry if I missed your sarcasm before, but this makes it clear.
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Mike Rodick wrote:
Here's a thought, and I have not researched this. Perhaps the Brojos could reach out to find out.
Let's say on the Road to Paris list there are 30 Kenyans. Wouldn't it be fair if once Athletics Kenya chooses their team, those remaining Kenyans would be removed from the list?
Would this open up the field to slow guys? Or would it allow for guys like Lenny and others in a similar situation to then be confirmed?
list already accounts for this - only takes top 3 athletes from a country20 -
Not trolling...and my wife if Japanese. She's not offended by the word 'Japs' only sensitive gaijin are.
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Thundersnow wrote:
Fauble could rock out at Boston and get a nice ranking's bump. They'd probably still be able to offer a nice appearance fee and the pressure is off.
Exactly. And in Boston, WMM, top 5 unlocks the spot.
That seems like the most likely route. Him or CJ, who is booked to run it.
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ontheroadtoparis wrote:
Mike Rodick wrote:
Here's a thought, and I have not researched this. Perhaps the Brojos could reach out to find out.
Let's say on the Road to Paris list there are 30 Kenyans. Wouldn't it be fair if once Athletics Kenya chooses their team, those remaining Kenyans would be removed from the list?
Would this open up the field to slow guys? Or would it allow for guys like Lenny and others in a similar situation to then be confirmed?
list already accounts for this - only takes top 3 athletes from a countryPlease don’t inform the uninformed
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MatthewXCountry wrote:
Korir's spot in the Olympics is looking good, but still far from gauranteed. He could run a fast marathon in a few months to gaurantee it, but that might hurt his performance at the olympics.
An idea, what if Korir's sponsor offered a cash bonus to the first US marathoner, who was not in the top 3 at the trials, to run 2:08:10 or faster before May 5th. If no one runs the qualifying time by May 5th, but a non-top 3 finisher at the trials passes Korir on the road to Paris list, the prize goes to the highest ranked American (out of the non-top 3 finishers at the trials) on the road to paris list.
Right now there is little incentive for US marathon runners to gaurantee we get a third spot (except for Korir). It is definitely in Korir's interest to give fellow Americans who missed out a push to go get him that third spot.
What is the benefit of this to Korir’s sponsor? It’s a huge chunk to invest in someone to get on an Olympic team and be nowhere near the front, or even on camera throughout. Hardly like he has much social media presence too that would garner them much more attention.
I assume he’s a Nike athlete. They have more than enough Olympic athletes to care about doing this.
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Whyohwhyohwhy wrote:
MatthewXCountry wrote:
Korir's spot in the Olympics is looking good, but still far from gauranteed. He could run a fast marathon in a few months to gaurantee it, but that might hurt his performance at the olympics.
An idea, what if Korir's sponsor offered a cash bonus to the first US marathoner, who was not in the top 3 at the trials, to run 2:08:10 or faster before May 5th. If no one runs the qualifying time by May 5th, but a non-top 3 finisher at the trials passes Korir on the road to Paris list, the prize goes to the highest ranked American (out of the non-top 3 finishers at the trials) on the road to paris list.
Right now there is little incentive for US marathon runners to gaurantee we get a third spot (except for Korir). It is definitely in Korir's interest to give fellow Americans who missed out a push to go get him that third spot.
What is the benefit of this to Korir’s sponsor? It’s a huge chunk to invest in someone to get on an Olympic team and be nowhere near the front, or even on camera throughout. Hardly like he has much social media presence too that would garner them much more attention.
I assume he’s a Nike athlete. They have more than enough Olympic athletes to care about doing this.
The olympics is limited to only a handful of Kenyans and Ethiopians, so actually its quite likely he will get some camera time. Maybe USATF or Korir shoudl do it, but the point is that there currently is no incentive to run down that 3rd spot for a bunch of tired guys who would be better off waiting for a fall marathon. The system is not good in that regard. Another solution would be to let the top American on the road to Paris list to take the spot if Korir isn't qualified based on his position in road to paris or by the standard.
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USATF has to select Korir if someone else gets the time or a Top 80 ranking. He's sub 2:11:30 and was 3rd.
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The odds of 12 people passing him in the rankings who are from countries who have fewer than 3 people qualified already is low - it would take a lot for him to not be in the top 80 at the May cutoff date - no one needs to spend any $ - his sponsor will go back to NFL adverts
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Whyohwhyohwhy wrote:
MatthewXCountry wrote:
Korir's spot in the Olympics is looking good, but still far from gauranteed. He could run a fast marathon in a few months to gaurantee it, but that might hurt his performance at the olympics.
An idea, what if Korir's sponsor offered a cash bonus to the first US marathoner, who was not in the top 3 at the trials, to run 2:08:10 or faster before May 5th. If no one runs the qualifying time by May 5th, but a non-top 3 finisher at the trials passes Korir on the road to Paris list, the prize goes to the highest ranked American (out of the non-top 3 finishers at the trials) on the road to paris list.
Right now there is little incentive for US marathon runners to gaurantee we get a third spot (except for Korir). It is definitely in Korir's interest to give fellow Americans who missed out a push to go get him that third spot.
What is the benefit of this to Korir’s sponsor? It’s a huge chunk to invest in someone to get on an Olympic team and be nowhere near the front, or even on camera throughout. Hardly like he has much social media presence too that would garner them much more attention.
I assume he’s a Nike athlete. They have more than enough Olympic athletes to care about doing this.
Sounds like you have never been close to Olympic selection. It is a monumental thing here in Australia in the lead up to the games. News outlets are chasing all the feel good stories.
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Masters Fattie wrote:
The odds of 12 people passing him in the rankings who are from countries who have fewer than 3 people qualified already is low - it would take a lot for him to not be in the top 80 at the May cutoff date - no one needs to spend any $ - his sponsor will go back to NFL adverts
He should be safe. The UK has two guys in rankings spots (66 and 71) but neither will be selected as UKA has already said it will only take people with the standard. So that's two Korir doesn't have to worry about right now. But, Phil Sesseman is going for the standard in Seville and Marc Scott is going for it in London.
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There's a whole podcast about this topic. Korir can't unlock the spot himself. I think there's currently only one HM in the states that would qualify to unlock the spot (NYC half?). It sounded like James McKirdy was going to organize a fast HM before the April deadline in attempt to unlock the third spot.
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pointcalculations wrote:
Tokyo being so deep actually hurts people trying to qualify. You gets tons of bonus placing points for Gold Label events. But if you're not in the Top 15 (or something like that) you don't get any points.) Fauble has 1179 points, the next person (70th) has 1163. So they'd need a 1195 point performance to tie him. With no bonus points, that's worth about 2:08:03.
People further down the list are so many points behind they'd need to run like 2:06 to pass Fauble, unless they place high at Tokyo, London, or Boston. Maybe a few will, but the odds of these races being filled at the top with random runners from small countries is unlikely. So, there's a very, very good chance that United States keeps a 3rd spot. (People aren't going to score enough with 1/2 marathon times. They'd need to run under 60:00 for ~1195 points and the caliber of guys that far down the list aren't going to do that.)
Prague half is coming up. Get four talented American road runners to run together as fast as they can. What time would one need if he were currently ranked between 100 and 200?
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