Four pharmacists arrested in Iten, athlete caught taking EPO

Lol rekrunner...

You get down voted a bunch because of your lame, highly repetitive trolling, not because letsrun readers have wrong beliefs. But sure, keep living in your dream world.

Lol - if that's what you want to believe.

But I did not say "letsrun readers have wrong beliefs", but that they had "tenuous historical factual support". This repetitive pattern from letsrun posters of needing to distort what I say is one of the reasons why collective upvotes/downvotes from this same pool of letsrun posters are not interesting to me.

What would be more interesting are the facts, evidence, and observations that either support their beliefs, and/or contradict mine. Sadly, these posts with substantive merit and content are rare, especially compared to vacuous posts with baseless conclusions resorting to namecalling.

In England they did the same thing, “catch” the doctors and middle men (see TeamSky). some of them now posthumously……so helpful!

Lol - it's you who wants to believe without any evidence whatsoever why you get downvoted.

The downvoters on the other hand know why they downvote you. Fact. Also fact: I have downvoted you because of your persistent trolling.

Namecalling? LOL - that's your specialty.

I looked back at my posts and I don't find anywhere where I expressed any belief as to "why" I get downvoted, unlike "jacksprat" and "stupid propoganda". Just another distortion, I guess.

I did say why I always thought some selected posters would consider the arrows important feedback. It's up to you to decide if that includes you, or if there are other reasons. But for the most part, my strongest feeling about upvotes and downvotes is one of apathy.

Doping is cheating. Doping gives a runner an unfair and dangerous (for their current and future health) advantage. Currently lots of cheaters are getting caught from one country. That country dominates marathon running. Yet nothing is done. You get downvoted because of the constant petty arguments about the simplest statements made by other posters that go against the grain of commonsense and reality.

In case you don't know, "apathy" means I don't really care that I get downvoted, let alone why.

What do you mean "nothing is done"? Isn't arresting four unlicensed pharmacists something? Isn't increasing the OOC test pool and the number of tests per athlete something? Isn't a government investment of $25 million for improving anti-doping something? The AIU tells me that "lots of cheaters are getting caught from one country" is not the probem, but the "the start of the solution". That is the result of all these things being done.

What is "commonsense" and "real" about the headline "athlete caught taking EPO", when there is no such athlete identified, nor is EPO even mentioned, in the linked article? The article tells me "what I need to know" is "the team of officers caught a pharmacy attendant administering a suspected banned substance to an athlete". The article doesn't say it's a "reality", but just a suspicion.

If there is so much commonsense reality, why the need to embellish it so often with imagination? And when I consider the source of the upvotes/downvotes, what should I think of a tiny group of voters who don't want to admit that such imaginations are not reality?

Lol.

I looked back at your posts, and found what you said in direct response to jacksprat's downward arrows comment:

Keep distorting why not.

Let's restore some clarity then.

This isn't explaining why "(I want) to believe without any evidence whatsoever why (I) get downvoted", but explains why "I don't often look at the arrows, or take any stock in them" (see the preceding sentence it directly follows and supports). At best, downvotes can only tell me something I already know based on years of evidence. I don't care because I'm not interested in only posting things just because I hope other posters will like them and vote for me.

Should I provide evidence of my motivation for not looking at downvotes and/or not caring about them? What would that even look like beyond my saying so?

I do have years evidence that my challenges of strongly held beliefs which are wanting for facts, are not popular, at least amongst the vocal minority of posters who respond, reiterating their beliefs based on faith and fallacy, often accompanied by personal insults and attacks, but rarely accompanied by sufficient facts, evidence and controlled observations.

The latest evidence of a belief (assuming Coevett believes what he writes) without factual support is "athlete caught taking EPO" in the headline. "jacksprat" tells me my challenge is getting downvotes, but no one has providing any factual support for Coevett, while several have accused me of trolling, and have speculated, without evidence, why I get downvoted.

It's shame but when you post on threads that aren't about doping you do everything you say you do but fail to achieve on doping threads. Quite a blind spot.

So.... you don't look at the arrows because you know you are "unpopular"? Well recognizing your unpopularity is a first step. But you are unpopular because of your trolling not because of your "challenges". Plus, if you had some logic in your bones, you might be able to win an argument here or there instead of getting laughed at all the times with your EPO-doesnt-work and the beef-burrito illusions.

And those who downvote you speculate why you get downvoted? LOL. Add 1 + 1 + 1. If three people tell you that you get downvotes because of your trolling, then at least three gave you downvotes because of your trolling. No evidence needed. I do know why I downvoted your troll posts.

But congrats. Despite your obvious nonsense, you keep getting replies and keep also this thread about you: +5/10 (obvious but it works).

It adds nothing of intellectual value. It is a collective and subjective assessment from a small number of people provided without explanation, in threads where those who do respond have not demonstrated a consistent capacity to respond to the merits, nor the capacity to consistently draw objective conclusions from facts, evidence, and observations, without first assuming the very conclusions they are making.

People may say they downvote me because of my "trolling", but I dismiss that as pure nonsense because it is not "trolling" to ask if "athlete caught taking EPO" is something that really happened, in the scope of these pharmacy busts.

I find it most telling that the bigger issue here seems to be my highlighting that something might not be factual, rather than the non-factual claim, as if facts are not the real goal of these kinds of discussions. This only reinforces my conviction that the collective subjective assessment of downvoters does not reflect anything about the merits of my posts.

I apply the same methodical approach which prefers facts and observations and questions explicit or implicit assumptions to all of these threads.

You keep telling me where the blind spot comes from -- athletes don't participate in studies, and generally don't share their doping experiences to the public.

It would be much easier for me to accept many of the claims of doping and performance if we had seen more evidence of better performances from Russia (or India or China or Italy or France or Spain), or if we had seen more evidence of EPO-boosted top performances outside of Africa in the 1990s, when EPO was widely used and undetectable.