Courtney Frerichs Uncensored: Frerichs tells Letsrun why she's left the Bowerman Track Club

Eugene T. Roll wrote:

I don't put any stock in the middle school gossip. I do feel that Quigley is a unique character that stands out from the image of most professional distance runners: introverted, quiet, 100% dedicated to their craft without distraction. When you think about it, who are the biggest lightning rods on Let's Run? Quigley, Centro, Siedel, Engels. Collectively, we tend to revere quiet monks and then criticize runners with fun or outspoken personalities. Even before her suspension, Houlihan caught heat for her tattoos, for dating Centro, and for playing video games late at night.

I do think that there was growing animus between Quigley and Houlihan. My speculation is that Coleen is a very ambitious and media savvy person and that didn't sit well with everyone. I think that there was some jealousy within the team about her ability to make side money, generate press, attend red carpet events, get TV gigs, etc. despite there being more accomplished athletes on the squad. Between the online "French Braid Friday" vs. "French Bread Friday" battles and Quigley beating Houlihan indoors, it seemed to get personal and testy between the two of them.

ionace wrote:

Eugene T. Roll wrote:

I don't put any stock in the middle school gossip. I do feel that Quigley is a unique character that stands out from the image of most professional distance runners: introverted, quiet, 100% dedicated to their craft without distraction. When you think about it, who are the biggest lightning rods on Let's Run? Quigley, Centro, Siedel, Engels. Collectively, we tend to revere quiet monks and then criticize runners with fun or outspoken personalities. Even before her suspension, Houlihan caught heat for her tattoos, for dating Centro, and for playing video games late at night.

I do think that there was growing animus between Quigley and Houlihan. My speculation is that Coleen is a very ambitious and media savvy person and that didn't sit well with everyone. I think that there was some jealousy within the team about her ability to make side money, generate press, attend red carpet events, get TV gigs, etc. despite there being more accomplished athletes on the squad. Between the online "French Braid Friday" vs. "French Bread Friday" battles and Quigley beating Houlihan indoors, it seemed to get personal and testy between the two of them.

The amount of animosity Quigley gets from the boards is crazy esp when you consider that:

Shelby got busted for doping

Several of her (ex) teammates emphatically supported her and to this day emphatically support her even though it's clear to everyone she doped.

Colleen actually departed from the group a month after Shelby's positive. Whether that has anything to do with the test or not is not guaranteed but at least she left and didn't shill for her.

Perhaps girls were jealous of Colleen but Colleen is free to do her own thing always. Why does she get that much hate for knowing how to market herself? Why do runners only get to behave one specific way?

I think Colleen was smart and savvy in those days. And at least there's no evidence she ever cheated.

reer wrote:

ionace wrote:

The amount of animosity Quigley gets from the boards is crazy esp when you consider that:

Shelby got busted for doping

Several of her (ex) teammates emphatically supported her and to this day emphatically support her even though it's clear to everyone she doped.

Colleen actually departed from the group a month after Shelby's positive. Whether that has anything to do with the test or not is not guaranteed but at least she left and didn't shill for her.

Perhaps girls were jealous of Colleen but Colleen is free to do her own thing always. Why does she get that much hate for knowing how to market herself? Why do runners only get to behave one specific way?

I think Colleen was smart and savvy in those days. And at least there's no evidence she ever cheated.

Why do we have to chose one over the other? What if Shelby is a doper and Colleen is just a nasty person?

ionace wrote:

it is not clear cut in a broken sport wrote:

Are you considering any of the contra evidence, at all?? As I understand it, it was an ingested form*, but there was no evidence, (from hair samples, etc.) that it was being consumed over any significant period.

Emmanuel Strahm, a former scientist from the WADA laboratory in Stockholm, Sweden, confirmed that Houlihan’s test results “show all the evidence of boar meat or offal consumption the day prior to when the urine test was performed” ()

Link:www.xn--tascas-dg0c.org/fileadmin/user...

Lawson was cleared, but not Houlihan?:
{Gault J (2020) The amazing story of how Jarrion Lawson cleared his name: He showed that the head of a WADA lab provided false testimony against him; What the Jarrion Lawson ordeal taught us about the holes in the global anti‐doping system. }

Link:www.letsrun.com/news/2020/04/the%E2%80...

*By “ingested”, does that include the cases of ‘sabotage’ where the PED can be transferred through skin contact, as shown in this scenario?:

Link:www.rbb24.de/sport/beitrag/av12/video-...

I hate to turn this board into a Shelby doping board but I want to quickly debunk this.

1. She ordered a beef burrito and didn't eat enough of what could have been a pig offal burrito to trigger a positive test. Ross Tucker already figured out what she could have been ingesting pretty regularly (nor-DHEA) and it would not have produced a build up in use. And yes, it would have been against the rules for her to do so.

Link:www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=...

2. Jarrion Lawson's story is completely different from Shelby's and really shouldn't be compared. Lawson also had waaaaay less of the substance in his system, while Shelby had double the legal limit (also consistent with those who take nor-andro).

3. She was not sabotaged.

What else is there wrote:

ionace wrote:

I hate to turn this board into a Shelby doping board but I want to quickly debunk this.

1. She ordered a beef burrito and didn't eat enough of what could have been a pig offal burrito to trigger a positive test. Ross Tucker already figured out what she could have been ingesting pretty regularly (nor-DHEA) and it would not have produced a build up in use. And yes, it would have been against the rules for her to do so.

Link:www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=...

2. Jarrion Lawson's story is completely different from Shelby's and really shouldn't be compared. Lawson also had waaaaay less of the substance in his system, while Shelby had double the legal limit (also consistent with those who take nor-andro).

3. She was not sabotaged.

How do you know she wasn’t sabotaged? There’s absolutely no way you could ever know that. It would certainly fit with Houlihan’s adamant denial and grasping at straws for a reason to test positive. Seems like a possibility hearing about all the conflicting personalities at BTC when this all happened.