Wejo - you need to produce evidence or retract your statement

What about Tennessee?

In this thread, it's not Tennesee, some are Tenneblind.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote. Should she continue to associate with Nick, there will always be suspicion. However, I believe according to court order, Nick was not allowed to be near her, and I have not seen any proof that they've continued to associate. I would agree that it would be "radioactive" for someone to pursue Nick as a coach. But, Wiley's situation - having lived there her whole life - is a bit different. People have different opinions or preferences on how big of a deal it is to move away from family, when a person is ready to move, etc. So, it may seem like an easy and obvious solution to a lot of us for her to move away. However, it may not be quite so easy to others (her).

It's a little surprising that her simply moving away and running with some other group will fix things. Really? Why? I suspect that if she moved to placate adversarial voices, the goalposts would be moved. When she wants to move, I'm all for it. I'm just not for other people demanding that she move for their reasons.

Every single aspect of this story has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum. Every single point above has been discussed and debated ad nauseum. At this time there's nothing new to discuss regarding this athlete or this story.

All I can say is that I am not part of any small group. I don't like seeing defenseless people get dogpiled on.

She didn't exactly try to surround herself with unsavory characters.

It's true that a lot of people run really fast and "unreal" times, and they are all suspect. I do give most some degree of benefit of the doubt. The degree to which people give some people the benefit of the doubt and not others has gone on here forever. It would be great if we could all agree on xyz = doper and less than xyz is unsure. That is what the drug testing was intended to do. I am sympathetic to Astro's argument that the tests don't often catch the cheats. So, what now?

Her race schedule was not exactly random. Sorry if i seems like I am some part of conspiracy plot to gaslight and ignore the reality. There are a lot of fast runners with conceivable shady connections with avenues to potentially dope who I may see as questionable or suspicious, but I don't call them doping cheats until it's proven.

Yes. 100% agreed. Tell Astro.

You must be new. Reality and facts have no bearing on how most LR posters. They don't think about things. They feel things. If you're determined to feel a certain way no information is going to dissuade you.

Not to mention not using Occam's razor and instead still defending someone got banned who claims they ate wild pigs' balls.

First off, you lost all credibility when you compared this to child porn. The positive, congratulatory threads on her will always get hijacked by people wanting to discuss the scandal or drugs just like any other Bowerman thread. She appears very religious and focus oriented to me. I don’t think she cares about what people are saying on these message boards. With that said, she may never leave her team and I think some people here aren’t willing to accept that because she may be world class for years to come.

I’ve never known any of the LRC staff to “trash” or “paint her in a negative light with assumptions”. I think they’re just uncomfortable with the situation she’s in and I can’t blame them (Rojo just simply not wanting to talk about her is a bit over the top, but that’s why you have JG). These aren’t the expectations we should have for our athletes in this sport, to have these associations. Of course she’s far from the only athlete actively competing that's associated with a tainted or suspicious coach. I got world champions in mind who get far less doping discussion. It's the teen phenoms.

So-called positive threads that ignore the elephant in the room are nothing but a concerted effort to whitewash. Makes no difference how "religious" or focus oriented you are. That never matters on this topic

Also everyone knows the world champions are doping whether they admit it or not, just like they know every major marathon winner or Tour de France winner is doping as well. That is a dog bites man type story, par for the course. But when a US distance runner is likely pulling this garbage in high school and college and makes a mockery of the sport while surrounding herself with obvious doping mentors (Lauren's WT from a college pr of 4:56 is a classic), that is a different level entirely. That is not the norm. Of course top international juniors dope. Kenya's second best U20 female runner, the one who finished second in the World Junior 1500, was just recently banned, and I have bridges to sell you if you think numbers 1, 3, and 4 were any cleaner. And the US's top teen sprinting prospect was also recently banned.

But more to the point, my opinion notwithstanding (an opinion I guaranty her peers share) if people just let this toxic subject lie dormant, then you will not get pushback. The OP lied through his teeth and got called out. I am not the one creating these threads.

I often downvote just to tweak the poster

OK

...Are you going to apply that same logic to coaches with actual guilty athletes?? Obviously you are correct. Wiley should leave. Grant Fisher left such a coach.

But you always make sure to comment in them like it's your social obligation. If you're so offended by threads with positive post about her, you can choose not to post on them. It works both ways. To clarify, I mentioned religious in reference to her not caring about these message boards, not a valid excuse as to why someone wouldn't dope. I'm not that dumb.

I'm curious, exactly what kind of pushback are you looking for or wanting?

What about my comment about the name (Nico Johnson) not even being used until the 14th post? I mean how can you have decent discussions by "assuming" everyone knows what you are "takkin" 'bout?

twoggle, all you have to do is spend 2 minutes around Niedeck and he will tell you himself that he doesn't coach her. It's the worst kept secret in the NAIA. He will tell you how much he makes, how great his system is and how he is impacting the healing at huntington

Unfortunately an anonymous post on this message board is not evidence just like much of the other rumors. If you’re right and Neideck likes to share about this, it should be very easy for the LR journalists to get the details on who is coaching Wiley. Some anonymous rumors may be correct and some may be made up nonsense - I look forward to finding out more.

Can you produce "one piece of physical evidence" that proves she is coached by Niedeck/Roark?