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You speak as you’re defending her coaches. Both Lauren and Nick should be banned for life. It’s sickening to tell you the truth. Absolutely sickening. Abby needs adult advice of this one and if you can’t see that then you’re part of the problem. It’s not overly complicated in running. If she wants to be recognized and respected then she needs to ditch the criminals Nick and Lauren. Otherwise it’s obvious why she stays with them
Nick and Lauren were both kicked out of the OTC and leave it to a “Christian” school to hire them. Absolutely disgusting to think about what Nick did. He pretended he was an Oregon coach and raped some poor girl. Lauren did nothing and continues to stay with him. She ( Lauren ) admitted to knowing Nick slept with girls on the team. This guy is a pig and Lauren isn’t far behind.
There are great coaches out there that can help Addy develop as a person and an athlete. If Addy continues staying with these two criminals she will never get the respect a 3:59 athlete deserves.
I don’t think she’ll be a great pro. She would have had to leave the Johnsons yesterday. Damage and reputation is getting worse and worse everyday.
I am certainly not wrong about one in particular. As to Mu, like Sydney, a legitimate natural talent. But when you are coached by a guy called The Chemist, I assume she is playing the game.
Her OLY golds and WC gold were won while being coached by Milton Mallard though.
Good point. Since Mu started working with Kersee, her 800 time has only gotten faster by .07 seconds. I really don't think that Kersee is drugging Mu.
You speak as you’re defending her coaches. Both Lauren and Nick should be banned for life. It’s sickening to tell you the truth. Absolutely sickening. Abby needs adult advice of this one and if you can’t see that then you’re part of the problem. It’s not overly complicated in running. If she wants to be recognized and respected then she needs to ditch the criminals Nick and Lauren. Otherwise it’s obvious why she stays with them
I am defending the right of people to find their own path and not get “canceled” for hanging out with the undesirables. I am definitely not defending any wrong actions taken.
I guess I can’t say with absolute certainty with regards to Wiley, but knowing small towns, having extended family that grew up in such an environment, and how they handle local “celebrity”, I think the odds are very high that AW gets plenty of advice.
Has any reporter (or anyone) found the reason why OTC requested the Johnsons leave. I suspect that they decided to keep things quiet, which is very unfortunate, if true. Also, hasn’t nj already been banned by safesport?
Do people find Addy staying at Huntington troublesome because they look to high achieving athletes to be moral exemplars?
Regardless, to the 1% of the running population who even knows who the currently fast runners are, perhaps Addy is sustaining reputational damage to some of those folks. But, overall, all these details are trivial at best. She would be a fool to pay any special attention to advice from anonymous trolls on a running forum. (Not that such advice is necessarily wrong.)
I'm sure her big sponsorship is coming any day, no questions asked. Maybe that is why opinions like mine matter, because I gurantee you that everyone else in the sport thinks the same thing about this situation.
I can’t see Wiley improving all that much in her current situation. She had a window open to go pro a bit ago and should have taken that opportunity. The longer she waits, the greater the chances of the window closing.
You speak as you’re defending her coaches. Both Lauren and Nick should be banned for life. It’s sickening to tell you the truth. Absolutely sickening. Abby needs adult advice of this one and if you can’t see that then you’re part of the problem. It’s not overly complicated in running. If she wants to be recognized and respected then she needs to ditch the criminals Nick and Lauren. Otherwise it’s obvious why she stays with them
I am defending the right of people to find their own path and not get “canceled” for hanging out with the undesirables. I am definitely not defending any wrong actions taken.
I guess I can’t say with absolute certainty with regards to Wiley, but knowing small towns, having extended family that grew up in such an environment, and how they handle local “celebrity”, I think the odds are very high that AW gets plenty of advice.
Has any reporter (or anyone) found the reason why OTC requested the Johnsons leave. I suspect that they decided to keep things quiet, which is very unfortunate, if true. Also, hasn’t nj already been banned by safesport?
Do people find Addy staying at Huntington troublesome because they look to high achieving athletes to be moral exemplars?
Regardless, to the 1% of the running population who even knows who the currently fast runners are, perhaps Addy is sustaining reputational damage to some of those folks. But, overall, all these details are trivial at best. She would be a fool to pay any special attention to advice from anonymous trolls on a running forum. (Not that such advice is necessarily wrong.)
She is going to be looked at a a cheater and bad character if she stays with the Johnson’s. It’s that simple. It doesn’t take a genius to realize what’s going on if she stays.
I can’t see Wiley improving all that much in her current situation. She had a window open to go pro a bit ago and should have taken that opportunity. The longer she waits, the greater the chances of the window closing.
It’s closing more everyday and will be locked shut soon
"They won’t challenge Mu as she is world class in the 800, 400, and 1500"
I mean she did finish second in the 1500 at the USATF meet and qualify for the WC. She beat other US runners that have qualified for WC before such as McGee, Johnson, MacLean. I think that meets the criteria for world class.
"They won’t challenge Mu as she is world class in the 800, 400, and 1500"
I mean she did finish second in the 1500 at the USATF meet and qualify for the WC. She beat other US runners that have qualified for WC before such as McGee, Johnson, MacLean. I think that meets the criteria for world class.
Eh, until she makes a team, she's national class.
Pascal Dobert is no longer with BTC, I believe he's with Puma, but not sure if he's coaching. Eitherway, he'd be the best bet to teach her the ropes in the steeple since Team Boss is likely out of the question. Unless Robert Gary or Tim Broe want to take a chance on a midwesterner? Steeple is her path to world class, end of story.
I mean she did finish second in the 1500 at the USATF meet and qualify for the WC. She beat other US runners that have qualified for WC before such as McGee, Johnson, MacLean. I think that meets the criteria for world class.
Eh, until she makes a team, she's national class.
Pascal Dobert is no longer with BTC, I believe he's with Puma, but not sure if he's coaching. Eitherway, he'd be the best bet to teach her the ropes in the steeple since Team Boss is likely out of the question. Unless Robert Gary or Tim Broe want to take a chance on a midwesterner? Steeple is her path to world class, end of story.
I'm sure her big sponsorship is coming any day, no questions asked. Maybe that is why opinions like mine matter, because I gurantee you that everyone else in the sport thinks the same thing about this situation.
That's not true. Most people who watch her run know very little about her situation.
Serious Question to all you Wiley fans and foes, does she have an agent? If so, who?
It seems like an agent would talk to the brands, find out what their concerns re: Wiley are, and then go back to Wiley and friends and tell them what the brands are thinking. Is that not how this would work? Of course, whatever Wiley does or does not do can be couched in terms of being a risk.
Last question - is it possible that Wiley is waiting to see what Tuohy gets to let Tuohy's deal help shape the market?
"They won’t challenge Mu as she is world class in the 800, 400, and 1500"
I mean she did finish second in the 1500 at the USATF meet and qualify for the WC. She beat other US runners that have qualified for WC before such as McGee, Johnson, MacLean. I think that meets the criteria for world class.
Serious Question to all you Wiley fans and foes, does she have an agent? If so, who?
It seems like an agent would talk to the brands, find out what their concerns re: Wiley are, and then go back to Wiley and friends and tell them what the brands are thinking. Is that not how this would work? Of course, whatever Wiley does or does not do can be couched in terms of being a risk.
Last question - is it possible that Wiley is waiting to see what Tuohy gets to let Tuohy's deal help shape the market?
She has an agent and no bites. That should tell you something.
"They won’t challenge Mu as she is world class in the 800, 400, and 1500"
I mean she did finish second in the 1500 at the USATF meet and qualify for the WC. She beat other US runners that have qualified for WC before such as McGee, Johnson, MacLean. I think that meets the criteria for world class.