- a 2:17 male has no shot of making the team and it's a vacation for him. His opinion shouldn't matter.
Mark Conover (RIP) had no shot in 1988 with his meager 2:18 PB in his only attempt at the distance at the trials. But he won, so maybe he did have a shot.
- a 2:17 male has no shot of making the team and it's a vacation for him. His opinion shouldn't matter.
Mark Conover (RIP) had no shot in 1988 with his meager 2:18 PB in his only attempt at the distance at the trials. But he won, so maybe he did have a shot.
was jacob riley even considered to be a contender before the last Trials?
If the local cops were told we need the roads closed from x to y time frame and they've made arrangements to do so and now the race wants roads closed from f to u time frame, couldn't the cops be pushing back on the LOC also?
I can't see how a marathon could say hey we want roads closed at this time but if the temps are too high and then this time. How would that fly? Too much behind the scenes stuff would have to happen on short notice.
Set the time and be done with it. A noon start is junk, but junk it is and it started to be junk when Sieg-hiel called it Orlando instead of Chattenooga.
I can see how a change in start times could be a big hassle for local organizers in terms of having to go and change all their permits and get all the vendors to agree to a different time frame. If the special events permitting is inflexible on start times, they may have to get all new permits, which would be a big hassle. For most vendors, a change in start times is not going to be a big deal as you are not going to have traffic control equipment, tents, stage, etc. swept up and sent to another location on the same day. But a good vendor contract would include a fee for time changes. I really doubt any sponsors would be dropping the event because it is going to start earlier. That would just be weird.
The $700k demand seems to be mostly a ploy to prevent the time change so the organizers don't have to do extra work. They should get some extra cash for the time involved in making the change, but $700k is just about like asking for USATF to pay twice for organizing costs.
And let's just cut to the chase. Houston needs to be the permanent home for the trials. Houston delivered a world class trials in 2012 and has hosted many outstanding US half championships. It is centrally located with a huge airport. Race day logistics are a breeze for both athletes and coaches/families. Weather is usually excellent. Good spectator turnout. Event production cost is reasonable compared to NYC or Boston.
Paris in August is about the same weather as Orlando in February and they are not running the Olympic marathon at noon, but in fact are running them at 8AM. By your logic, they should be holding the races at 8am.
Mark Conover (RIP) had no shot in 1988 with his meager 2:18 PB in his only attempt at the distance at the trials. But he won, so maybe he did have a shot.
was jacob riley even considered to be a contender before the last Trials?
Yes. He ran 2:10:36 in Chicago in the fall of 2019.
Mark Conover (RIP) had no shot in 1988 with his meager 2:18 PB in his only attempt at the distance at the trials. But he won, so maybe he did have a shot.
was jacob riley even considered to be a contender before the last Trials?
Jake ran 2:10 at the 2019 Chicago marathon and finished as the top American there. He wasn't a favorite but definitely a contender.
I wonder what would happen if every top runner refused to race? Would they go ahead and take the 76th top runner in the nation?
Cool. Let it happen. It's not like our top three runners are going to have anymore affect on the Paris Olympic Marathon than our 76th top runner so let the petulant whiners keep complaining.
Why do you think Paris will be hot? The race in Paris will be at 8AM, average highs that time of year in Paris are 78. Average high in Orlando is 75 in February. It will be hotter in Orlando at Noon than it will be in Paris at 8am, not to mention the angle of the sun resulting in more direct sunshine at noon. If you're using the lame excuse of matching trials conditions to what the olympics will be like, then it makes sense to start the trials marathon earlier in the day. There are zero good reasons to hold the race at noon in Orlando.
Update: Organizers have put out their own statement essentially blaming USATF, saying they are athlete centric and will move to 8 am but need to get compensated as it will cost them a ton of $.
again, USATF is a private organization and they have created the market for themselves. If you would like to create your own Olympic Trials Marathon, by all means go right ahead! "as it will cost them a TON of $"
Just because you don't really understand things, a corporation is by definition a public entity and USATF specifically is a not for profit governing body with essentially a monopoly on choosing athletes for international competitions. Nothing about it is capitalist (non-profit) free market (monopoly) or private (a USOPC sanctioned governing body)
Now there are three times being floated about. The 10AM was a compromise settled on by the athletes, USATF and NBC. Is NBC going to be ok with the 8AM start time proposed by Orlando? With 5AM West Coast viewing/no viewing? Also fewer viewers on the East Coast.
It's worse for the sport if they are OK because that means they don't care. They're banking on low viewership anyway. Streaming can happen anytime and they have already agreed to a delayed broadcast. What a joke. It's an EVENT, not a SPORT if it's packaged as a delayed broadcast.
I may be being petty because for once I was looking forward to a marathon broadcast where I get to eat a bagel while watching rather than turning on my laptop in bed bleary eyed and likely to doze off right when things are getting good.
Before the Internet, the Olympics were a prepackaged product. The delayed broadcast could be a plus if they were able to finagle shots and bios knowing the outcome and produce the best drama for a storyline, but they won't.
2) Weak athletes who don't want to race if the sun so much as peeks out of the clouds.
Well done all!
Weak athletes? When you run a race do you look at the weather forecast and hope for good conditions? Why would you ever choose to run a race during the worst possible time of the day? That's the problem here. When races are in hot places, you run them in the best possible time. The Doha world championship marathon was run at night when it was the coolest possible temperatures. In Tokyo they moved it to northern Japan since Tokyo was too hot. Why are we making the US athletes run in not only a hot area, but also in the middle of the day? It makes no sense.
On February 3, 2023 it was 79F as a high and 54F as a low. Couldn't find the dew point but average dew point is 53F for February but likely lower in the afternoon. Average High is mid 70s.
August 10-11 2024, Marathon start will be @ 8:00 AM for Men and Women. On August 11th, 2023, it was upper 60sF to 70F at race start with dewpoint in the
Why are the athletes losing their mind about running in the 70s with comfortable dew points? Paris will be far more humid.
On February 3, 2023 it was 79F as a high and 54F as a low. Couldn't find the dew point but average dew point is 53F for February but likely lower in the afternoon. Average High is mid 70s.
August 10-11 2024, Marathon start will be @ 8:00 AM for Men and Women. On August 11th, 2023, it was upper 60sF to 70F at race start with dewpoint in the
Why are the athletes losing their mind about running in the 70s with comfortable dew points? Paris will be far more humid.
A 66 degree starting temp in Paris will be much more enjoyable than a 75-78 degree starting temp in Orlando. The humidity isn't vastly different to make up for a 10 degree temperature difference. The whole thing was a mess from the beginning with Siegel saying Chattanooga was eliminated due to a supposed "conflict of interest". But then you add the idiotic staring time of the race in Orlando and it made everything look even worse, like everyone making the decisions is incompetent.
On February 3, 2023 it was 79F as a high and 54F as a low. Couldn't find the dew point but average dew point is 53F for February but likely lower in the afternoon. Average High is mid 70s.
August 10-11 2024, Marathon start will be @ 8:00 AM for Men and Women. On August 11th, 2023, it was upper 60sF to 70F at race start with dewpoint in the
Why are the athletes losing their mind about running in the 70s with comfortable dew points? Paris will be far more humid.
A 66 degree starting temp in Paris will be much more enjoyable than a 75-78 degree starting temp in Orlando. The humidity isn't vastly different to make up for a 10 degree temperature difference. The whole thing was a mess from the beginning with Siegel saying Chattanooga was eliminated due to a supposed "conflict of interest". But then you add the idiotic staring time of the race in Orlando and it made everything look even worse, like everyone making the decisions is incompetent.
And they won't be much of a blip in the local news with the Pro Bowl being in Orlanda that weekend.
That $700k is an extraordinary claim that needs extraordinary proof.
The $700k is for me, a fan living in California that will have to get up really early on weekend to watch it at a new time. 9AM was civil, 5AM or 6AM is not.
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