1. The US did NOT overthrow the government of Ukraine in 2014. The Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 to remove Yanukovych after he fled the country (to Russia).
2. Ukraine spent 8 years fighting Russian-supported terrorists (you know, the ones that used Russian SAMs to shoot down MH17). This was after Russia invaded Crimea.
3. Russia intervened long before 2022 - invading Crimea, supporting terrorists in Ukraine, try to kill the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement.
Three points, nearly a dozen errors and made up shyt. Even more impressive. The US most certainly did overthrow the legitimate Ukraine govt, causing the maidan, in which supporters of a legitimate Ukrainian govt were killed and shunned. The Ukrainian people voted 70%+ in favor of Yanukovich. It is the Ukrainian terrorists that have been spending 8 years shelling, murdering separatists (including hundreds of women and children)in E. Ukraine and taking away their freedoms and culture. The Ukrainian terrorists also spent years undermining and tearing apart the Minsk agreement intended to solve the E. Ukraine breakaway.
How exactly did the US overthrow the Ukrainian government? The US convinced a million people to protest in the streets of Kyiv? To camp out in the freezing cold? Was it just for Nuland's cookies? The people that I know that were in Maidan Nezalezhnosti during the revolution of dignity were there because they believed (correctly) that Ukraine has a future with the EU, while Russia is a complete sh*thole.
The Ukrainian people voted 70%+ in favor of Zelensky in 2019. I guess Ukraine was getting on just fine without being anchored to a sh*thole like Russia.
Yes, the Ukrainian military did spend 8 years trying to stop the Russian-supported terrorists in the Donbas from killing civilians. You know, the Russian-supported terrorists that used a Russian-supplied surface-to-air missile to shoot down a passenger jet. Anyway, now Russia has done a good job of destroying the places that they claimed to be saving, and most of the Russian-supported terrorists have been killed. So, good job Russia. It will make it easier for Ukraine to rebuild without having to worry about what the Russian minority in the Donbas wants.
1. The US did NOT overthrow the government of Ukraine in 2014. The Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 to remove Yanukovych after he fled the country (to Russia).
2. Ukraine spent 8 years fighting Russian-supported terrorists (you know, the ones that used Russian SAMs to shoot down MH17). This was after Russia invaded Crimea.
3. Russia intervened long before 2022 - invading Crimea, supporting terrorists in Ukraine, try to kill the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement.
1. Of course they did. We have Nuland and Pyatt on tape discussing this.
2. I see. Call the people who did not want to go along with the coup terrorists and then you can excuse Kiev's attacking them for 8 years.
3. Crimea elected to go with Russia overwhelmingly. Russia did not invade.
When are people going to wake up to the fact the MSM feed us lies?
1. You mean the call where the Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt talk about politics in Ukraine? How dare they! Where do they discuss overthrowing anything? Please, quote the specific lines from the transcript.
2. The pro-Russian separatists (supported by Russia) started the violence in the Donbas, which the Ukrainian government responded to with force (as they should).
3. First, yes, Russia did invade prior to the "referendum". Second, the "referendum" was unconstitutional. Third, the "referendum" was a complete sham. Let me guess, you think elections in North Korea at completely democratic.
When are you going to wake up to the fact that you're on the wrong side of history here (and a completely delusion piece of sh*t). Jimmy Dore - Liar (and idiot). Clayton Morris - Liar (and felon). Whatever other place you get your news, probably full of lies, idiotic rambling, and hosted by somebody that hasn't left his mommy's basement in the last 20 years.
Money and weapons to people living in Urkaine who opposed the elected govt.
In this case, Azov battalion.
Nuland caught on tape deciding who US would appoint as president of Ukraine once they removed the elected president.
The protests against Yanukovych were largely peaceful, and the violence was mainly perpetrated by government forces. The only weapons the US gave the protestors were cookies.
The Maidan revolution began in November 2013, while Azov wasn't formed until late in Feb. 2014.
So by merely saying Yatsenyuk's name, the US appointed him president? Please. That's beyond asinine.
So, you've failed to demonstrate how the US "overthrew" the government, failed to demonstrate how giving funding to a group formed in 2014 led to protests in 2013, and failed to demonstrate how the US appointed the new president. The only logical conclusion we can draw from your performance here is that you're a colossal failure.
Simple answer is that the Palestinian issue has been going on for decades and Ukraine was relatively quiet until 2014.
The more interesting question is why do some leftists oppose Israel's aggression in Gaza but have no problem with Russia basically doing the same thing in Ukraine? If I showed you pictures of Mariupol and Bakhmut and then showed you pictures of Gaza City, you probably would not be able to tell them apart unless you were knowledgeable about the different building materials used in the Middle East versus Eastern Europe (and could tell from the rubble which was which).
I think the answer is that some leftists feel a duty whether on principles alone or through white upper class guilt to counter what Edward Said called "Orientalism". They then look for the most oppressed non-white group that is the victim of Western Orientalism and get on the activist train with them. But then the Ukrainians are just regular white Eastern Europeans. So, there is no social justice cred for standing up for white people oppressed by white people.
Then there is the idea that the Ukrainians have no agency and are just being used by the US as part of its imperial project against Russia. Whether true or not it does show how Palestinian backers turn a blind eye to the perfidy of so many governments in the Middle East in order to just make the conflict about Israel and the US versus the Palestinians. Palestinians who fled to the US have been able to get citizenship and reap all the benefits of US citizenship. But there are still Palestinians living in refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Egypt won't let Gazans through its border. The Saudis spend more on golf tournaments than they do on a decade of aid to the Palestinians.
This is not to say that the Palestinians are wrong and deserve to be bombed by Israel. The Palestinians deserve statehood without Israel always encroaching and taking their land. But so do the Ukrainians.
The more interesting question is why do some leftists oppose Israel's aggression in Gaza but have no problem with Russia basically doing the same thing in Ukraine? If I showed you pictures of Mariupol and Bakhmut and then showed you pictures of Gaza City, you probably would not be able to tell them apart unless you were knowledgeable about the different building materials used in the Middle East versus Eastern Europe (and could tell from the rubble which was which).
Add Russia's Hypocrisy Minster to your list of confused leftists...
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said that Israel's bombardment of Gaza runs counter to international law and risks creating a catastrophe that could last decades.
Lavrov made the comments, some of Moscow's most critical of Israel yet, in an interview with the Belarusian state news agency Belta, which released them on Saturday.
"While we condemn terrorism, we categorically disagree that you can respond to terrorism by violating the norms of international humanitarian law, including indiscriminately using force against targets where civilians are known to be present, including hostages that have been taken," said Lavrov.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said that Israel's bombardment of Gaza runs counter to international law and risks creating a catastrophe that could last decades.
Three points, nearly a dozen errors and made up shyt. Even more impressive. The US most certainly did overthrow the legitimate Ukraine govt, causing the maidan, in which supporters of a legitimate Ukrainian govt were killed and shunned. The Ukrainian people voted 70%+ in favor of Yanukovich. It is the Ukrainian terrorists that have been spending 8 years shelling, murdering separatists (including hundreds of women and children)in E. Ukraine and taking away their freedoms and culture. The Ukrainian terrorists also spent years undermining and tearing apart the Minsk agreement intended to solve the E. Ukraine breakaway.
How exactly did the US overthrow the Ukrainian government? The US convinced a million people to protest in the streets of Kyiv? To camp out in the freezing cold? Was it just for Nuland's cookies? The people that I know that were in Maidan Nezalezhnosti during the revolution of dignity were there because they believed (correctly) that Ukraine has a future with the EU, while Russia is a complete sh*thole.
The Ukrainian people voted 70%+ in favor of Zelensky in 2019. I guess Ukraine was getting on just fine without being anchored to a sh*thole like Russia.
Yes, the Ukrainian military did spend 8 years trying to stop the Russian-supported terrorists in the Donbas from killing civilians. You know, the Russian-supported terrorists that used a Russian-supplied surface-to-air missile to shoot down a passenger jet. Anyway, now Russia has done a good job of destroying the places that they claimed to be saving, and most of the Russian-supported terrorists have been killed. So, good job Russia. It will make it easier for Ukraine to rebuild without having to worry about what the Russian minority in the Donbas wants.
How? Ever heard of the Counter Disinformation Unit, an official government unit to churn out state propaganda?
" We have been working closely with the major social media platforms to monitor and share information as the situation in Ukraine develops. We have made clear the seriousness of the current situation and the importance of cooperating at speed on countering these threats including swiftly removing disinformation and coordinated inauthentic or manipulated behaviour which is against their terms of service and promoting authoritative content."
The Counter disinformation unit leads the UK's governments response to misinformation and disinformation. It states that it analyses public available information and does not collect non-public information. The unit was estab...
Both Ukraine and Israel are pseudo-states brought about by European colonial ambitions. They survive by cultural warfare and ethnic cleansing. Neither should ever have existed. Neither is tenable as the western hegemony supporting them collapses.
Both Ukraine and Israel are pseudo-states brought about by European colonial ambitions. They survive by cultural warfare and ethnic cleansing. Neither should ever have existed. Neither is tenable as the western hegemony supporting them collapses.
Well, you conveniently leave out a lot of the history. Israel was pretty much formed by the population of the Ethnic Cleansing/Genocide of both the Nazis and the Arab World surrounding Israel (and in Palestine proper that was simmering). So you can say neither "should ever have existed," which is really just saying you support (or at the very least accept) what the Third Reich and Arab World did. And you can say they aren't tenable, which is probably in spite of some momentum that was building for the Arab World (led by Saudi Arabia and others) to move on and accept Israel. That, of course, was put to a halt by Hamas quite deliberately. If Israel does collapses or loses this war, which feels unlikely, you can expect a large battle between Hamas, the Palestinian authority and by extension all of the Arab World that is behind-the-scenes grappling on different sides. It will not be particularly good for Palestinians either, and I'd expect there will be resentment to the Western World.
Money and weapons to people living in Urkaine who opposed the elected govt.
In this case, Azov battalion.
Nuland caught on tape deciding who US would appoint as president of Ukraine once they removed the elected president.
The protests against Yanukovych were largely peaceful, and the violence was mainly perpetrated by government forces. The only weapons the US gave the protestors were cookies.
The Maidan revolution began in November 2013, while Azov wasn't formed until late in Feb. 2014.
So by merely saying Yatsenyuk's name, the US appointed him president? Please. That's beyond asinine.
So, you've failed to demonstrate how the US "overthrew" the government, failed to demonstrate how giving funding to a group formed in 2014 led to protests in 2013, and failed to demonstrate how the US appointed the new president. The only logical conclusion we can draw from your performance here is that you're a colossal failure.
Largely peaceful protests in which over 100 people were killed.
Meanwhile 1/6 was a violent insurrection.
When Nuland proclaimed "Yats is the guy" it was just a coincidence that he became the guy
But these were not unprovoked actions; they were responses to the U.S.-backed coup, in which an armed mob led by the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia stormed the Ukrainian parliament, forcing the elected President Viktor Yanukovich and members of his party to flee for their lives. The remaining members of parliament voted to form a new government, subverting the political transition and plans for a new election that Yanukovich had publicly agreed to the day before, after meetings with the foreign ministers of France, Germany, and Poland. The U.S. role in managing the coup was exposed by a leaked 2014 audio recording of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt working on their plans, which included sidelining the European Union and shoehorning in U.S. protege Arseniy Yatsenyuk as prime minister. Both of Nuland’s hand-picked puppets in Ukraine, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk and President Poroshenko, were soon mired in corruption scandals. Yatsenyuk was forced to resign after two years and Poroshenko was named in a tax evasion scandal revealed in the Panama Papers. Post-coup, war-torn Ukraine remains the poorest country in Europe, and one of the most corrupt.
The protests against Yanukovych were largely peaceful, and the violence was mainly perpetrated by government forces. The only weapons the US gave the protestors were cookies.
The Maidan revolution began in November 2013, while Azov wasn't formed until late in Feb. 2014.
So by merely saying Yatsenyuk's name, the US appointed him president? Please. That's beyond asinine.
So, you've failed to demonstrate how the US "overthrew" the government, failed to demonstrate how giving funding to a group formed in 2014 led to protests in 2013, and failed to demonstrate how the US appointed the new president. The only logical conclusion we can draw from your performance here is that you're a colossal failure.
Largely peaceful protests in which over 100 people were killed.
Meanwhile 1/6 was a violent insurrection.
When Nuland proclaimed "Yats is the guy" it was just a coincidence that he became the guy
Yes. Killed by government forces. Proving why Yanukovych was a dud and the Ukrainian people didn’t support him.
So saying “Yats is the guy” was enough to overthrow the government and install him as president? I’m not sure you understand how elections work… or words.
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