Lots of people agree with you that the elites are doping. I certainly do. Doesn't change the fact that you're a complete and utter moron. You have zero knowledge of training, chemistry, or biology. Your can't reason. Your views on things like talent are laughable. You just happened to luck into the correct position without having any clue why. You could be replaced by chat bot from the 90s and no one would be able to tell.
Pain as defined to a Kalenjin warrior like Kiptum would only mean 1 thing: fatigue! There can't be any other implication for a warrior like him. He has never felt tired in any of his 3 marathons and the evidence is that he closed insanely well in all of them.
Why would any elite marthoner have a painful experience?
Your marathon pace is how fast you jog around. The average runner may get exhausted and fall over, but that's not exactly pain.
Elite marathoners are no heavier than birds, so even if they get exhausted (as some visibly do) all they have to do is stop running and they are fine.
He’s probably doping but yeah, this could be down to his interpretation of the word pain. Runners in the U.S. like to describe the suffering that comes from struggling to maintain pace to the finish line as “pain,” but it’s not an acute, literal pain, at least when you’re a 120 pound well trained elite wearing super shoes. Looking at his face in the last 10k, he certainly appeared to be in discomfort.
No this guy's not struggling to maintain pace to the finish. he is accelerating big time and yet says that's 'no pain' for him. I think a more reasonable approach is that he is first clean, then he trains very high mileage to create enough aerobic resistance to pain/fatigue, bingo, that's why he doesn't feel pain. His face may appear uncomfortable but that's probably due to the freezing cold headwind? I tend to dislike cold wind in my face and will frown to 'block' it away.
I think this mental game you speak about is honestly for the weaklings. It's a game that's inherently based on obfuscation which is a form of 'deception'. Why would genius like Kiptum need to resort to kindergarden mind games to beat Kipchoge who is also widely suspected as doper?
Logically you can be right. But probability wise I think you may be wrong, pardon me. Same applies to Lance Armstrong. At least between Kiptum and Kipchoge I would say the latter is more probably doped. It's just everything Kiptum his background, history, training and absolute consistency just explodes the word 'clean'.
I have run a dozen marathons and i assure you no matter how well-trained I definitely couldn't walk down any stairs the next day. Period. I therefore suspect also that Kiptum's definition of pain means 'no pain walking down stairs the day after marathon'.
No this guy's not struggling to maintain pace to the finish. he is accelerating big time and yet says that's 'no pain' for him. I think a more reasonable approach is that he is first clean, then he trains very high mileage to create enough aerobic resistance to pain/fatigue, bingo, that's why he doesn't feel pain. His face may appear uncomfortable but that's probably due to the freezing cold headwind? I tend to dislike cold wind in my face and will frown to 'block' it away.
"aerobic resistance" to pain? Hmm, aerobic resistance to fatigue yes, pain? not so much. Renato called it EXTENSION. I like that term. It is a neurologically accurate observation that resistance to fatigue is extended with correct training.
Thank you for clarifying the name of that famous Grand Tour climb. Maybe you could also give me the correct spellings of all the drugs he denied taking. Thanks for your time.
Kiptum's second half and finish definitely reminded me of Eddie Hellebuyck talking about the benefits of EPO:
"And then, suddenly, he says, all of the years of training and all the injections of EPO kicked in. Hellebuyck felt like he was soaring. “I don’t know where it came from. I got that extra boost, and I finished unbelievably fast. How can you possibly kick that fast at the end of a marathon? I say, You know what? That’s the first time I was believing in EPO. It was not natural. I mean seriously, the way I kicked down that last 400 yards and ran [to 2:19:59] was just unnatural.”
Kiptum's second half and finish definitely reminded me of Eddie Hellebuyck talking about the benefits of EPO:
"And then, suddenly, he says, all of the years of training and all the injections of EPO kicked in. Hellebuyck felt like he was soaring. “I don’t know where it came from. I got that extra boost, and I finished unbelievably fast. How can you possibly kick that fast at the end of a marathon?
The superhuman closing speed in an event known to humble you in the 2nd half is a red flag. I looked up some of Kiptum’s splits from previous half marathons to see if he demonstrated any crazy negative splits and found quite the opposite.
2020 Valencia HM: Kiptum finished 6th in 58:52, over a minute behind the lead pack consisting of Kandie, Kiplimo, and Kipruto who dropped him with miles left to run. 5k splits were 13:38, 13:47, 14:06, 14:12.
2021 Valencia HM: Kiptum finished 8th in 59:02 with a similar positive split. 5k splits were 13:45. 13:50, 13:47, 14:23.
While both are certainly very quick times, nothing about these performances reflects the superhuman feat of dropping a sub-14 5k late in a marathon.
