My current wife played tennis in high school. She took it very seriously and spoke about it often when we dated. She made it very clear, she was very, very good at tennis, having been a varsity player at a private high school.
I played casually, occasionally with friends, and took "tennis class" as a blow off credit, in college. But I never thought of myself as any good, at tennis, and never played competitively. I probably couldn't have made varsity in high school, certainly not college.
She very much wanted us to square off in a match. It became clear she had something to prove. I suggested we just hit the ball back and forth, for fun. She insisted, it much be a scored match. I agreed finally. (For reference, my wife is only 1/2 inch shorter than me and only 10 lbs lighter).
We finally squared up for her much desire tennis match. We played two sets. I beat her 6-0, 6-0.
It wasn't fun for either of us. I actually felt bad about it. She seemed crushed. I didn't use any special techniques in that match other than to hit it as hard as I could, over the net.
We have never played tennis since that first and last match over 20 years ago. In fact, I've never so much as brought it up in conversation, nor has she.
Weird troll thread. Do you actually play tennis? Because the idea of "losing by a point" really doesn't make sense in the context of this particular sport.
Pretty sure most tennis players would say “I’m leading by a point” rather than “I’m leading by 15” or w/e.
They would say I'm leading by a game or set. You have to win by two. Even in a tiebreaker you have to win by two points so no one would ever say "I won by a point."
Also why is he holding back if he's playing mixed doubles. That's a man and woman on each side. OP is dumb. Also tennis is a skills game and recreational players, like hobby joggers, are all over the place. Easily a woman could be better than a man if the man is not at an advanced level.
some women are as strong as some weaker men. I'm all for women empowerment, but most women just aren't as strong. I ran Cross Country in highschool. I was number 2 or 3 on the girls team at my school. My 5k was about 18:30. This was decent but not great in my state. I could beat probably 10 guys on the boys team. But those were there slow runners. The fact is, a fast woman at running is about as fast as a moderately slow man. So yeah, I- a varsity girl- was barely faster than some boys running in an open race.
It's always funny to read these arguments: "Some women are stronger than men". Yea probably, but that isn't the point. In general men are stronger than women. How is that debatable?
It's as if people have lost the ability to think in general terms. Every argument, however weak it is, is good enough not to concede. Nowadays you never hear someone say: "You know, you're right. That's a good point". Every stupid thing a person can think about just to be able to hang on to their (wrong) ideas is enough. That in itself shows you what society has become.
SAFP and Miss Richardson are 10,6 sprinters, there isn't a men's 4x1 team in the SEC these ladies could make. and if they did they'd get destroyed on whatever leg they were on, simply how it is.
Women should have their sports world which should have nothing to do with the men's, two totally different things.
I've been playing social tennis (mixed doubles) for a long time and recently I noticed women in their 20's actually believe they are as strong as men.
When most guys play doubles against a girl they play "politely" to put it softly.
However, I noticed quite a few the past years come at it with an attitude of competition that they can actually beat men.
The past few years I've had many outright challenge me and other guys. Of course we go easy and just lead them by a point the whole match...but then they actually get really upset when they lose...?
Previously, it was always understood that guys were often just keeping the competition engaging for the female players but now they actually think they really only "lost by a point".
Out of curiosity I used topspin in a match (something men rarely do when playing with women) and of course they could not return it, and they genuinely responded with "wow got lucky there."
My teammate and I decided we would use topspin the whole rest of the match and of course it was an instant close out, couldn't return one. They didn't comprehend that guys are never playing anywhere near 100%...and they still don't, they thought we were "exceptional players" when in fact we are very average for males.
No women over 45 actually believe they are anywhere near as strong as men, nor did they when i played with them when they were in their 20's.
I even heard one women talking how she "works out" and could easily "take a lot of guys in a fight", not only is that statement obviously false because even the weakest of men are stronger than the strongest women it's also insane because if adult males even say that they could "easily take a lot of guys" they would get made fun and another guy would be like "okay Rocky, easy there"
What is causing this? It's really weird, and actually downright insane.
Have you not watched the any entertainment the last 15 years? It's all girl power, it's a relenteless barrage of 115lb girls beating up men. Previously you'd get the occasional woman beating up a man, it made sense, and stood out. But now it's beyond ridiculous. But if that's all you've seen your entire life, you start to believe it.
At tennis Gina? Sure lets play a match, just don't be made when i suddenly comeback 15-40 ;)
Wait, OP.
You said, “I even heard one women talking how she ‘works out’ and could easily ‘take a lot of guys in a fight’, not only is that statement obviously false because even the weakest of men are stronger than the strongest women.”
Yeah, it follows that you would be stronger than the strongest of women in a fight. Why backpedal now and shift back over to tennis?
I’d love to see a two fight sequence where the real Gina Carano gets a few rounds with you in the first and a few with Ben Shapiro in the second.
A female javelin thrower would destroy most men, until she comes up gainst a male javelin thrower. This is how this goes, no woman is beating a man who is into what she is.
Serena Williams would destroy most men on a tennis court, until she came up against a male pro tennis player.
Flo Jo ran a stunning 10.49 (was windy but...) Seahawks wide receiver DK Metcalf toying with sprinting runs a 10,3 something. This is how ridiculous male vs female is in sports.
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People are delusional, like when a man gets passed by a woman in a running race. Men usually destroy their race trying to keep up.
As far as the tennis thing, a whole generation was told growing up that men and women are the same. A good number of them still believe it as they haven’t personally experienced how this is wrong.
SAFP and Miss Richardson are 10,6 sprinters, there isn't a men's 4x1 team in the SEC these ladies could make. and if they did they'd get destroyed on whatever leg they were on, simply how it is.
Women should have their sports world which should have nothing to do with the men's, two totally different things.
I thought I might easily refute you by looking at Vanderbilt's men's 4x1 team. It turns out that they don't even have men's track and field and only have six men's sports in total (they have ten women's teams, including track and field).
Looks like Bobby Riggs is back from the dead. Didnt Billie Jean teach you a lesson the first time? Stop making sht up about your game and conflating "strength" with tennis skill.
In phys ed grad school we learned that, pound for pound of lean tissue, women are about equal to men in core work, about 2/3 as strong in below-the-waist musculature, and about 1/3 as strong in above-waist work.
Those are generalities, but in my experience (30+ years coaching The Sport, years spent teaching adult-fitness classes, yada) they've held up well. (And NOTE the bit about "pound for pound of lean tissue." Women on average have considerably more adiposity at a given weight.)
There are individual exceptions in most things, of course. Some women are taller than most men; some women can bench more than most men. But individual exceptions don't change the basic fact that men, on average, are significantly stronger than the average woman.
In phys ed grad school we learned that, pound for pound of lean tissue, women are about equal to men in core work, about 2/3 as strong in below-the-waist musculature, and about 1/3 as strong in above-waist work.
Those are generalities, but in my experience (30+ years coaching The Sport, years spent teaching adult-fitness classes, yada) they've held up well. (And NOTE the bit about "pound for pound of lean tissue." Women on average have considerably more adiposity at a given weight.)
There are individual exceptions in most things, of course. Some women are taller than most men; some women can bench more than most men. But individual exceptions don't change the basic fact that men, on average, are significantly stronger than the average woman.
I would agree with you in terms of pure strength. But other than weightlifting (I'm not including posing around the gym all day as a competitive sport) what sport is about pure strength?
Sport is also about skill, application, motivation, competitive instinct, stamina in distance events and race technique. I find it rather telling that the OP is talking about tennis on a running forum. But overall, the OP is showing his weakness, by disparaging women, against whom he doesnt even compete. Even in tennis. Only the mentally weakest of men need to disparage women like that.
He's also downright wrong in saying that the weakest of men will always beat women. Are we really to believe that a skinny, untrained 5' 3" male would beat a 6' 2" female weightlifter in a fight? And women are nasty fighters...
In my country, the women do much better in distance races in running (other than the 1500m - theres a clue), cycling and multi sports than the men on yhe international stage and it's not unusual to.see them winning the race outright, or finishing in the top 3. A local 19 year old triathlete girl has run 1.12 or faster 3 times for the half marathon this year alone. In some multisports races now, we see more women than men racing.
Apparently, there's been an experiment done on socialisation in rats and when they have plenty of unlimited resources (food, water, shelter, social company), the male rats in the 4th or 5th generations tend to evolve into what are referred to as "beautiful rats", who like to parade to get attention but who have no interest in hunting, gathering food, taking on social duties and reproducing, even when the overall colony population is falling dangerously low. This phenomen isn't observed in female rats.
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