Unlessyoulookatit wrote:
Except track looks real and wwe does not look real
It's still real to me dammit!
Unlessyoulookatit wrote:
Except track looks real and wwe does not look real
It's still real to me dammit!
Armstronglivs wrote:
"Conclusion: There are no consensus among experts about high prevalence of doping in athletics. There are indications in all directions (low, medium, high) -very subjective and hard to know and judge. -You have made up your opinion, and I have no problem with that, or your frequent repetition of your view -gives me an opportunity to think the matter through and doing some reading…"(quote)
You are wrong about that. That is because you have been too narrow in your choice of experts. For a start, WADA estimates of doping have ranged from 10% of top athletes to 40%. Then we have confidential athlete surveys a decade ago that show that anywhere between 30-60% of championship athletes are doping. We can then add experts like Victor Conte, who supplied drugs to top athletes, who says that at the top level all the athletes are doping. He isn't alone in that. Others estimate a more "modest" 80%.
We know that drugs can be performance-enhancing and we know the demand for them is such that the black market in ped's exceeds a billion dollars each year. We know also that antidoping remains behind doping, so most dopers will not be caught - that from David Howman and other antidoping experts. When athletes who are driven to succeed know their chances of reaching the top will increase if they dope, and the likelihood of their being caught is very slim, there is only one outcome. That is where professional sport is today.
I can’t see that any of what you are writing here are wrong per se. But I can neither see how this contradicts what I wrote… And the confidential athlete survey has been released, and is the one I mentioned…
Let me only give you this: I think we can say that the doping prevalence is higher than the percentage that are caught. -Simply because we have “confessions” from athletes who never were investigated or popped. And I think also there are evidence for quite a large misuse of anabolic steroids and testosterone among hobby weightlifters and bodybuilders (the ones who are obsessed by body looks and don’t participate in events, and only train 3 times a week) f.ex in Norway (according to police and customs authorities). But we don’t how this is further up among pre elite, elite or top elite…
I don’t know if the testing routines are good enough. But I am a very sceptical person, and will be tempted to agree with you that the anti doping work isn’t good enough, and that there has to be cheating not revealed… But I am also afraid of false positive results…
RichardRider wrote:
Someone please rename this website to
Let's Complain
Let's Bellyache
Let's Bemoan
Let's Whine
Etc....
How about renaming it to 'Let's Get REAL!"