As a fairly recent graduate, 71 percent seems a little high, but probably close to half the people I interacted with identified as LGBTQ in one way or another. The men's XC and track teams were mostly straight guys, but the majority of the women's team was queer. Seemed to be a similar pattern on other teams, and the rest of campus was generally more out there in terms of politics and personal expression than the athletes, so it's not all that surprising.
I would also note that a significant number of students reject traditional gender concepts altogether. So for example a female-presenting person who has only dated men might identify as non-binary and consider themself not straight for that reason.
Serious question - What exactly does it mean to be "queer"?
I think this is the crux of the issue -- "queer" has changed in definition quite a bit. My understanding in talking with some of the current college generation is that "queer" is a pretty non-defined catch-all to include anyone who has any fluidity to their sexuality.
The Kinsey scale is outdated, but let's use it here. If 0 is totally homosexual and 6 is totally heterosexual, modern students will use "queer" to define themselves if they're anything that isn't a 6.
You're sort of contradicting yourself. On one hand you seem to be stating that diversity is not an essential part of the college experience and on the other hand, as you wrote in your post above, "if diversity of ideas is a strength, then these institutions fail in that regard,' which to me, at least, seems that you would advocate for diversity.
Which is it? Is "fail(ure)," as you put it, OK with you?
I wrote a question, thus the use of the word if. Others have argued that diversity is a power:
But then they attend a college that is overwhelmingly black and predominantly female. Where is the diversity of thought at such an institution? My point is if diversity is not a pre-requisite at an institution like Smith or Howard, then why do we make it a pre-requisite at every other school in the country?
I went to state school. It was far more diverse. I enjoyed it, but it was not essential. That being said, I don’t come on LRC because I want to hear others echo my own thoughts. I come on to troll individuals such as yourself and try to get you to question your own thoughts.
You're not trolling me and you're not getting me to question my thoughts. I'm comfortable with my stances and thoughts.
I have always favored that students should attend the school that they feel they would have the best chance of success at and feel the most comfortable at. If that school is 100% gay, so be it. If it's 100% black, fine. 100% white conservative Christians? So what?
I happen to be Jewish and as is the case with many members of the tribe, I grew up in a neighborhood that was at least 70% Jewish. The schools that I attended in my youth were the same. Even the university I attended, Emory in Atlanta, despite the fact that it was founded by Methodists, has a high percentage of Jewish students. Emory, though, is diverse. I considered that diversity to be important. I did not wish to communicate & interact with all like-minded people all of the time. I have a kid that attends the U of Chicago. Chicago is actually a much more diverse school than Emory is.
Politically I am very much a centrist. I've read enough of your posts to know that you are not. You only see things as black & white, right & left, etc. You are the antithesis of diversity and your thoughts are confused. I initially called you out because you specifically called out the HBCUs for your example of a student body that is not diverse. You failed to mention many others, conservative Christian schools in some cases, that are not diverse either. While you may have attended a university that was diverse, methinks that more than likely you lived in an echo chamber while you were there and you still do.
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Serious question - What exactly does it mean to be "queer"?
I think this is the crux of the issue -- "queer" has changed in definition quite a bit. My understanding in talking with some of the current college generation is that "queer" is a pretty non-defined catch-all to include anyone who has any fluidity to their sexuality.
The Kinsey scale is outdated, but let's use it here. If 0 is totally homosexual and 6 is totally heterosexual, modern students will use "queer" to define themselves if they're anything that isn't a 6.
Thank you very much for the answer, Karen. Out of all the initials, this one is by far the most ambiguous. I wonder if Q should be removed from the initialism just to avoid this confusion.
All this LBGTQIA stuff is equivalent to parachute pants and breakdancing in the 80s. It was cool, we all had a pair, and did our thing on the cardboard.
Later, we grew up.
God i forgot about that. I had those pants with all the zippers.
Could it be that people don't want to appear bigoted? And if you aren't bigoted, how do you know you're not gay? Then that means we all are questioning if you define it a certain way which I guess makes sense as look at what happens in prison when you don't have any other options for the next 40 years.
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I would also note that a significant number of students reject traditional gender concepts altogether. So for example a female-presenting person who has only dated men might identify as non-binary and consider themself not straight for that reason.
Isn't that ironic? They think they are rejecting gender concepts when in reality they are inventing them - nonbinary.
How about this? We don't think about gender concepts. We don't ever talk about a female presentin person. We only talk about biology. Females and males.
Now a female should be allowed to be a firefighter. A man can work a more flexible job than his wife (both Weldon and I do this) and do more of the diaper changing. Your sex doesn't have to mean anything other than I have a penis and produce sperm, my wife has a uterus and produces eggs.
this is not Yeshiva (Judaism) or Principia (Christian Science) or Gallaudet (deaf), like a school "for" a social segment. yes, i am sure those schools are up near 100%. but it's done that way on purpose. likewise, while less strictly exclusive, yes, byu is 98% mormon, and howard is 86%, but the latter is premised as an HBCU. you're implying that just because it's liberal and queer-friendly -- as opposed to premised on being exclusively something -- that liberal school is so dogmatic it pulls queer numbers like they literally set it up as an exclusive school. that you'd have as many students who swing that way as blacks at a school for blacks, up near a deaf school that has limited hearing acceptance or a school that requires extensive jewish classes and observance.
buzz. bull.
my sense is this is some conservative who posts a free speech ranking stirring the pot that like literally everyone at a liberal school is liberal -- and this is the stretch -- that they think all alike and see themselves as gay and thus have some cardboard cutout issue with conservative responses to same or free speech. this was not my experience.
to be fair, oberlin might be like 80-90% liberal (but not gay), yes, but knowing the historical politics of the school, that's probably self-selected. conversely i am sure liberals at bob jones, liberty, and hillsdale are rare. even someone happy to banter across the divide would likely not seek that experience out as their 4 year gauntlet. they might not be picky about the politics of their local school if they commuted but dorm schools, duh, a lot of people will select for their politics.
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