So why doesn’t everybody train like Jakob?

It ain't new and it ain't revolutionary. My HS coach (late 80s) and college coach (~90) were Lydiard guys. Volume, 2x per day, often tempo AM (steady state in Lydiard vernacular), repeats afternoon. We NEVER hammered workouts. They were mostly tempo and longish repeats at around 5k-10k race pace. We did long runs every week. Consistency was key. I got faster every year for 8 years under those 2 coaches.

What is different about JI? He started early, has immense talent, focus, drive, and a dedicated coach training for the long term. Very few runners have all those things. I have spoken to some Olympians and their support structure is amazing and consistent over their whole life.

He also may have access to supplements and physical therapy that not everyone does that allow him to push hard consistently without getting injured. I could count on one hand the number of sports massages I got in college. JI probably has someone available every day. He likely has his blood tested regularly and gets appropriate supplements.

You mean double threshold,and take large amounts of EPO and goodness knows what else?

Agree, the system is of course much more optimal for longer distances, but for a distance like 1500 there's clearly other ways. Particularly interested in seeing what Laros will do in the 1500.

Because there are still other world record holders didn't train that way. Many ways lead to Rome....

Nordas did none of these things. All you need is the right coach and doctor.

Is it? How many of these guys have 5k that are better than their 1500m? Maybe that is just these guys 'best' distance. Maybe the training works out being better at the shorter distance than the 5k. Maybe they just didn't run 5ks when in good shape. Maybe those sharpening weeks (the ones we don't talk about) for the 5000m are suboptimal. Who the heck knows.

Remember Webb's training gave us a 1:43, 3:30,27:34(1 race) and from what I have seen I wouldn't call it threshold based. Lots of ways to attack running that work. The Norwegian approach is really solid..who knows if slightly more intensity (or less) would give marginally better results. At some point you have to have faith your program is good enough.

We will never know if Nguse trained like JI(and vice versa) how much either of their times would change.

Site your source. No one knows how Jakob trains.

sure we know some aspects of his training but the details of his training are largely unknown.

And many have now copied it without success.As all methods it works for some and not others.

Copied what?

No one has access to Jakobs actual training. People compiled a few workouts and made a bunch of guesses as to what Jakob might be doing but no one actually knows what a weekly or monthly schedule of training looks like for Jakob.

Agreed, why does everyone pretend we know what his actual training is these days

If you like me have chat with Gjert you know the schedule of Jacob.

Very true. I am a high schooler who has done double thresholds throughout the summer usually 5-6 miles in volume per session. As a high schooler, these double threshold sessions are extremely sustainable and I am not wiped out at all by the time I finish both of them. Now imagine someone who has been doing double thresholds since he was like 10, obviously these aren't taxing for Jakob and are very very sustainable.

I know quite a few collegiate, amateur, and high school runners who try to train like Jakob but cannot sustain it without heavy fatigue or injury.

The issue I've observed is that they're undisciplined, and while they try to structure their weekly schedule like the Ingebrigtsen's, they always hit the workouts too fast and end up overworking themselves.

Nuguse has said he does double threshold.

When has Jakob been injured? He's been extremely healthy for his whole career, with barely any injury hiccups--more often colds--usually in the base season.

Double thresholds is fine as a formula but it is key to Jakob's training system that they check their blood lactate frequently and adjust their workouts accordingly. In a video of Katir at the high altitude Spanish camp that the Ingebrigtsens also train at, he and his translator are trying to figure out how to use the lactate meter in cold weather and they don't really know exactly what to hit. The meter really differentiates Jakob's training from a lot of others doing "threshold" workouts without actual measures other than time and distance.

I never said Jakob was injured - I was talking about his brothers. I do think there is something to be said about Jakob getting sick at championships though ... Could it be a symptom of pushing the limit, or just bad luck ?

We do know he does 110+ MPW and 5 workouts(possibly 6), unless he decided to radically change training after leaving Gjert

Bump.

Why doesn’t everybody train like Jakob?

There’s a learning curve with lactate testing & most coaches think *they* have the secret training insight. But I’d be fascinated to see some mid-tier college program hire someone with the Norwegian plan instead of making college kids run 6’ miles on easy days and 10-mile “tempos” at 5’ pace. I bet you they’d do well.