I should have said strongly contested as much, his 2mile was good but he should go after the events that are contested and challenged by all. It reminds me of some US runners who are good runners when racing other US athletes but cannot beat the better runners in Europe.
Think 10or 15 years down the line. Jacob has the 2k and 2Mile record but no 1500, 3,000, or 5000 meter record. History will not judge him as one of the greats but just a good runner.
I should have said strongly contested as much, his 2mile was good but he should go after the events that are contested and challenged by all. It reminds me of some US runners who are good runners when racing other US athletes but cannot beat the better runners in Europe.
Think 10or 15 years down the line. Jacob has the 2k and 2Mile record but no 1500, 3,000, or 5000 meter record. History will not judge him as one of the greats but just a good runner.
He is just getting started. He is 22. Let’s just hope he avoids serious injuries.
The 3k and 5k records are going down next year. And he will probably try to run a fast mile already next week. We’ll see.
In 15 years he will at least be an olympic champion and double world champion. Not bad in itself.
He has also beaten two of Hicham’s records and one of Komen’s.
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I should have said strongly contested as much, his 2mile was good but he should go after the events that are contested and challenged by all. It reminds me of some US runners who are good runners when racing other US athletes but cannot beat the better runners in Europe.
Think 10or 15 years down the line. Jacob has the 2k and 2Mile record but no 1500, 3,000, or 5000 meter record. History will not judge him as one of the greats but just a good runner.
He is just getting started. He is 22. Let’s just hope he avoids serious injuries.
The 3k and 5k records are going down next year. And he will probably try to run a fast mile already next week. We’ll see.
He has a long road ahead of him and I think he can get the 3,000m record. Let's see what he can do in the 5000. I think he has a shot based on his 2 mile time. It's exciting times for the sport. Let's hope he learns a little humility in the process.
He is just getting started. He is 22. Let’s just hope he avoids serious injuries.
The 3k and 5k records are going down next year. And he will probably try to run a fast mile already next week. We’ll see.
He has a long road ahead of him and I think he can get the 3,000m record. Let's see what he can do in the 5000. I think he has a shot based on his 2 mile time. It's exciting times for the sport. Let's hope he learns a little humility in the process.
He is putting on a show. And most of the quotes comes from interviews made a few minutes after the race, when emotions are running high. I think if you had sat down with him on a Tuesday in Sandnes, you would get a different impression. And - he is 22 years old.
He is an endurance based racer. 60 second laps are no problem. He will run sub 12.30. The letsrun guy is right.
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He has a long road ahead of him and I think he can get the 3,000m record. Let's see what he can do in the 5000. I think he has a shot based on his 2 mile time. It's exciting times for the sport. Let's hope he learns a little humility in the process.
He is putting on a show. And most of the quotes comes from interviews made a few minutes after the race, when emotions are running high. I think if you had sat down with him on a Tuesday in Sandnes, you would get a different impression. And - he is 22 years old.
He is an endurance based racer. 60 second laps are no problem. He will run sub 12.30. The letsrun guy is right.
If he does run sub 12.30 there will be a lot of suspicion,and a lot of questions asked.I dont think he'll do it,myself.
worth 1307 points and is higher ranked than every distance record from 800m-half marathon. IAAF gives equivalent times of 1:40.75/3:25.71/3.42.03/7:19.54/12:34.08/26:10.67/57:19.
Is this the most impressive male mid d/distance record or does IAAF unfairly compensate this event?
That's why he says in the interview he wants to take a stab on all the records - including the marathon and steeple
BRUSSEL (VG) Jakob Ingebrigtsen (22) gjorde små endringer i kulissene før hans andre verdensrekord. Han vil ha åtte rekorder til: Fra 1500 meter til maraton.
J Ingrebrigtsen, 1500m Olympic champ refuses to split 800m in 1:48.xx or 1:49.xx, 1500m record attempts in order to give himself a mathematical possibility of 1500m w.r.
The way J I races 1500m with paid pacers with pace lights is proof 1500m and shorter distances are more impressive world records.
Regardless of which record is stronger this is terrible logic. Obviously, Ingebrigtsen could be relatively better at 2k compared with all of history’s great runners than he is at 1500–and it stands to reason that he would be as a 2x 5k World Champ. What you’ve done is akin to asserting that Cheptegei’s WRs are obviously weaker than 3:26.00 because Cheptegei can’t run 3:26, only less extreme.
As an aside, 1:48/1:49 through 800 isn’t required to make the 1500 WR “mathematically possible,” since 3:26.00 is 1:49.87 pace and El Guerrouj didn’t split sub-1:50 through 800 in the WR…
The way Olympic and W.C. schedules have been set up, J Ingebrigten gets to race 1500m fresh. Fifteen-hundred meters and 100m are the two marquee track events. J I running TTs well from 2000m to 2mi. are not relevant. Instead of training for 1500m or 5000m, if J I trains specifically for 2000m to 2mi., that is his fault.
Cheptegei wouldn't dare race 1500m at African Games or African Championships. Certainly, Cheptegei will never race 1500m at Olympics or W.C. J I is a 1500m/5000m man. Cheptegei is a 5000m plus man. Your logic is flawed.
J Ingrebrigtsen, 1500m Olympic champ refuses to split 800m in 1:48.xx or 1:49.xx, 1500m record attempts in order to give himself a mathematical possibility of 1500m w.r.
The way J I races 1500m with paid pacers with pace lights is proof 1500m and shorter distances are more impressive world records.
Still, you've gotta respect a guy who goes out a little bit slow and then outkicks the wave light when it's set to world record pace.
J Ingrebrigtsen, 1500m Olympic champ refuses to split 800m in 1:48.xx or 1:49.xx, 1500m record attempts in order to give himself a mathematical possibility of 1500m w.r.
The way J I races 1500m with paid pacers with pace lights is proof 1500m and shorter distances are more impressive world records.
Regardless of which record is stronger this is terrible logic. Obviously, Ingebrigtsen could be relatively better at 2k compared with all of history’s great runners than he is at 1500–and it stands to reason that he would be as a 2x 5k World Champ. What you’ve done is akin to asserting that Cheptegei’s WRs are obviously weaker than 3:26.00 because Cheptegei can’t run 3:26, only less extreme.
As an aside, 1:48/1:49 through 800 isn’t required to make the 1500 WR “mathematically possible,” since 3:26.00 is 1:49.87 pace and El Guerrouj didn’t split sub-1:50 through 800 in the WR…
Yeah if anything the last 5 years have shown us how impressive the old distance records were. Sure the record book has been refreshed (everything now except the mile and the 3000 which are honestly imminent) - but the playing field is totally different. I mean we all understood the value of metronomic, even paced running - I don't think we understood just how much of a benefit it was. Even if we did we had to rely on ourselves/another athlete to execute it and it proved absolutely impossible to do with the accuracy and duration of current technologies allowed in racing. Put it this way, had El G, Komen, KB been afforded the same conditions as the guys today, these records would have been markedly better than they were already. And of course the shorter the distance the "easier" it is in essence to get things right in that respect which is why many of those records may be approaching the plausible limits of human beings as we know them today. The 1500m is the only outlier there but it was saved by an outlier final 300m of the race - how that was possible? Draw your own conclusions.
As for a 1.48-1.49 split needed for the record - well all dependent on the athlete right but in the case of J.I that's a stupid statement (but this guy you are responding to unfortunately thinks he knows more than he does). I don't know how you draw that conclusion though with a guy whose strength is churning out even paced laps and runs best when he does exactly that. No Jakob can't go through in over 2.46 and rip off a sub 40 last 300m, but he might be able to go through in 2.45.2 and run a 40.6. Not sure he necessarily needs to split under 1.50 at 800m for that to happen. I could definitely see a scenario where he could run 55.2, 55.1, 54.9 - like that doesn't guarantee a record at all - but he's physically able to do this and it's his best shot.
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Few make the attempt at the 2k record, so it's not going to be as good as a 1500m record where there are attempts all the time, but that doesn't mean this record was particularly easy. He beat Cheruiyot by 5 seconds. He beat multiple 3:29 guys by more. But that 2M record is another matter. He beat a record that was softer than the 3k record but he smashed it to such a degree that it is easily stronger than Komen's 3k record, and that is a much contested race. He might not try this weekend, but he could have every record from the mile through the 5000m record this year had he attempted them. 1500's the hardest he'll attempt, and I think he can get that next year or the year after. As for the 1k, I think he can run 1:46/27 some day but that's just 2:13. To challenge the record, he'll need to drop his 800m time and he should make the effort in training to do that so that he's not as vulnerable in championship 1500s to faster 800 guys.
