...who has 'gone', not who has 'went' sub-9.Yes, I do have a compilation.
Mr.Rogers wrote:
Does anyone know where to find a list of every high school kid who has went sub 9 in the 3200 or 2 mile
...who has 'gone', not who has 'went' sub-9.Yes, I do have a compilation.
Mr.Rogers wrote:
Does anyone know where to find a list of every high school kid who has went sub 9 in the 3200 or 2 mile
Jim Hill ran 13;19. not 'like 13;27'.
common cents wrote:
What was the logic to those of the top 30 that you selected for that list, I couldn't find any. Also, it should be noted that that list is not completely up to date, if no one has mentioned this so far, it's from 2003. So galen is on the list, but only with his 8:10 3k not his NHSR 8:03. How many guys since have broken 8:50? There are exactly 31 on this list with Eric Logsdon being the last at 8:49.91. Heres that list
1 8:36.3 Jeff Nelson Burbank CA '79
2 8:40.0i Gerry Lindgren Rogers, Spokane, WA '64
3 8:40.9 Craig Virgin Lebanon IL '73
4 8:41.5 Steve Prefontaine Marshfield. Coos Bay, OR '69
5 8:43.2i Dave Merrick Lincoln-Way. New Lenox, IL '71
6 8:44.0 Eric Reynolds Camarillo CA '83
7 8:44.03 Alan Scharsu Fitch HS, Austintown OH '78
8 8:44.12+ Dathan Ritzenhein Rockford (8:41.1-3.2k) MI '00
9 8:44.53+ John Trautmann Mon.-Wood. Cen.Val.(8:05.8-3k)NY '86
10 8:44.6 Eric Hulst Laguna Beach CA '76
11 8:45.19i Alan Webb Reston VA '01
12 8:45.2 Thom Hunt Henry, San Diego. CA '76
13 8:45.9 Ralph Serna Loara, Anahaim CA '75
14 8:45.92+ Donald Sage Elmhurst York (8:42.89-3.2k) IL '00
15 8:46.44c Chris Solinksy Stevens Point WI '03
16 8:46.47+ Eric Mastalir Jesuit Carmichael(8:07.60-3k)CA '86
17 8:46.5 Richard Kimball (LaSalle. Concord, CA '74
18 8:46.87 Bobby Beck Salmen. Slidell. LA '79
19 8:46.99 Brent Steiner Shawnee Mission S. Overland Park, KS '79
20 8:47.02+ Scott Fry Perkins. Sandusky (8:08.1-3k)OH '85
21 8:47.77 Jim Hill Oakton, Vienna VA '79
22 8:48.3 Rick Riley Ferris, Spokane WA '66
23 8:48.8 Curtis Beck Santa Monica CA '72
24 8:48.8c Brent Vaughn, Brent Smoky Hill CO '03
25 8:49.1i Mark Dani Valhalla, El Cajon CA '86
26 8:49.4+ Rickey Pittman East Tech, Cleveland OH '80
27 8:49.53+ Galen Rupp Central Catholic, Portland,(8:10.42 - 3k) OR '03
28 8:49.60i Franklin Sanchez LYNN VOKE TECH HS MA '99
29 8:49.66+ Mark Mastalir Jesuit, Carmichael (8:10.54-3k)CA '86
30 8:49.86+ Jon Butler Edison Huntington Beach(8:46.78-3.2k) CA '81
31 8:49.91+ Eric Logsdon Canby (8:10.66-3k) OR '00
I stand by my original argument that this is the list of true studs. 9:00 is vey good in high school, but someone does it every year, now when someone breaks 8:50, that causes people to notice. This is true no matter how fast I've run. I'm not devaluing anyones accomplishments, just saying that these are the most exemplary marks. So we all know about pre, virgin and lindgren, after that who has done anything post high school. Ritz and Webb have done ok for themselves, Sage and solinsky both have NCAA titles, sage was a little inconsistent, but hey, it's still and NCAA title. Scott Fry ran under 13:40 in college, and Jim Hill ran like 13:27. Brent Vaugn has done prtty well and is still running, Galen is still running and has done well while healthy, and I beleive Eric Logsdon is still running and he put up a pretty solid college career with several AA Awards.
Rich Kimball won a world jr. cross country championship. Went to Oregon, got hurt, transfered to SJ State, didn't run again as far as I know.
Additional sub-8:50 run since 2003
8:45.44 Shadrack Kiptoo La Cueva, Albuquerque NM '04
8:48.11 Joshua McDougal Peru NY '04
8:48.25 Christo Landry Jefferson Alex VA '04
8:49.87 Andrew Bumbalough Brentwood Acad, TN '04
Kimball attended Oregon State University, not the U of O, if that is what you were implying.He made one senior world XC team several years after his junior win.
derj wrote:
Rich Kimball won a world jr. cross country championship. Went to Oregon, got hurt, transfered to SJ State, didn't run again as far as I know.
Didn't Bret Schoolmeester of Colorado run like an 8:47 at Arcadia a few years ago?
someone wrote:
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that California might be pretty good at the 2 mile. Might be able to say the best in the country...call me crazy!
Polk high wrote:How many of that top 30 never did squat afterwards? That's not that impressive is it?
1 8:36.3 Jeff Nelson Burbank CA '79
5 8:43.2i Dave Merrick Lincoln-Way. New Lenox, IL '71
6 8:44.0 Eric Reynolds Camarillo CA '83
10 8:44.6 Eric Hulst Laguna Beach CA '76
13 8:45.9 Ralph Serna Loara, Anahaim CA '75
16 8:46.47+ Eric Mastalir Jesuit Carmichael (8:07.60-3k) CA '86
17 8:46.5 Richard Kimball (LaSalle. Concord, CA '74
18 8:46.87 Bobby Beck Salmen. Slidell. LA '79
19 8:46.99 Brent Steiner Shawnee Mission S. Overland Park, KS '79
23 8:48.8 Curtis Beck Santa Monica CA '72
24 8:48.8c Brent Vaughn, Brent Smoky Hill CO '03
25 8:49.1i Mark Dani Valhalla, El Cajon CA '86
29 8:49.66+ Mark Mastalir Jesuit, Carmichael (8:10.54-3k) CA '86
30 8:49.86+ Jon Butler Edison Huntington Beach(8:46.78-3.2k) CA '81
With 34 million people sure I hope California has more than every other state.
Polk High wrote:
Call ME crazy while I climb out further on that limb of yours: California, has, by far, the biggest post high school failure rate of any state. Of the 100 California high schoolers who have broken 9:00 for two miles, very few of them ever again live up to their glory days.
I don't think you can look at this list and suggest that the "failure rate" is higher for California runners. First of all, I think the bar for what would constitute success for the guys on this list has been raised too high. It's the nature of the sport that not al the high school champions will be college champs, and not all the college champs will be national champs or will have previously been high school gods.
I also really doubt that most of the readers here are so versed in T&F history that they can evaluate teh careers of any of these runners. Especially if you are a 17 year old from the midwest, or whoever it is that feels the need to bash California high school running, I'm not sure you know the story behind some runner from the 70s or 80s who went to high school and college hundereds of miles from your small existence. You'd probably recognize the names of some Olympians, but that's about it.
Still 40+ of the top 100 off that list came from CA, and the last time I checked California did not contain 40% of the US population.
A surprising 4 of these 30 Gods ended up at UCLA, which has been successful, but like most programs often uneven in developing distant talent. Butler was a 3time All American in cross country, so I don't think he can be considered a post-high school failure. I think he ran 28:40 something in college, but I don't think he ran post-collegiately. Reynolds had an injury-filled and disappointing career at UCLA. Curtis Beck was before I followed the sport, but he ran 4:01 as a Bruin. Mark Dani ran for UCLA as well. Other guys on the top 100 had much stronger careers for the Bruins: Meb and Steve Ortiz.
Here's my theory on why California & Illinois produce such a high number of "studs".
They both have (or have had) very few classes in relation to their respective populations. Which cranks up the competition level even further. In California you're talking a population of 15 million+ (guessing) supporting just the large class. Take a state like New Mexico which has 5 classes & a population barely over a million. The largest class probably isn't even supported by 400,000 people.
Basically.. California may "only" have 10-15% or so of the US population, but that entire 10-15% is competing against eachother for State titles. All of the small states, while they are encompassing a majority of the population, are all seperated when it comes to competition. That is, the only competition that has really mattered, State.
Alan Scharsu wrote:
I was top the American at 2 NCAA XC championships and 2nd at 1980 TAC XC championship. I also ran 4:01 mile, 7:50 3K, 13:33 5K, 28:20 10K, 47:39 10M..some of them after achillies surgery. I wouldn't call that "squat".
What was your best finish at nationals in track?
This should help:
Hey Yoba...why don't you put your 2 inch Johnson back in your pants and tell everyone what your PR's are??? Hello, McFly? Unless they're remotely close to the career you've been bashing you should just shut the f*#@ up.
I finished 4th and 5th at indoor NCAA (Top American with 4th place finish), 4th at TAC indoor nationals. My highest finish outdoors was 8th in 1985. That was one of the best group of American 5,000m runners ever assembled if not the best. Padilla and Maree went at it in the final after quick semi finals. I remember having to run 13:39 in the semi just to make it into the final. I never ran well at outdoors because I couldn't handle the heat very well.
70's guy wrote:
Hey Yoba...why don't you put your 2 inch Johnson back in your pants and tell everyone what your PR's are??? Hello, McFly? Unless they're remotely close to the career you've been bashing you should just shut the f*#@ up.
Who's bashing? I'm just asking a question. Save the juvenile vulgarities for your junior high friends. I'm sure they'll be impressed.
Alan Scharsu wrote:
I was top the American at 2 NCAA XC championships and 2nd at 1980 TAC XC championship. I also ran 4:01 mile, 7:50 3K, 13:33 5K, 28:20 10K, 47:39 10M..some of them after achillies surgery. I wouldn't call that "squat".
Yes, the Shark also made the team for the WCCC, might have made it more than once. Probably the best accomplishment was being top American at NCAA back then though. Those were the days when there were just 2-3 Americans in the top-10 usually and the list was full of names like Nyambui, Musyoki, Rono, Shahanga, etc.
Check it out sometime.
Alan Scharsu wrote:
I was top the American at 2 NCAA XC championships and 2nd at 1980 TAC XC championship. I also ran 4:01 mile, 7:50 3K, 13:33 5K, 28:20 10K, 47:39 10M..some of them after achillies surgery. I wouldn't call that "squat".
You forgot to mention a DMR anchor at Dogwood ('80?)in which you were presumably the slowest guy in the big pack of studs (GT, Vill, BG, Tenn, Aub, etc.)entering the final backstretch. It was a who's who of 800/1500 studs. Damn if you didn't scorch every one of those guys for the win. From memory I believe it was around a :55 final lap for a 3:57. Terribly impressive if I remember it 25 years later.
Quit defending yourself to these idiots. You've earned far more respect than that from those in the know.
Yoba wrote:
Who's bashing? I'm just asking a question. Save the juvenile vulgarities for your junior high friends. I'm sure they'll be impressed.
Yoba wrote:
Scharsu had a couple of good XC seasons. Did nothing in track.
When did Alan become "The Shark?" I've always heard he was "Mini-Tabb."
Yoba wrote:
Who's bashing? I'm just asking a question. Save the juvenile vulgarities for your junior high friends. I'm sure they'll be impressed.
Sure, just asking a question. I noticed you failed to post your PRs. Why? Too busy working up another "question"?
Another great mark for Alan was the 29:21 10K in the '80 NCAA district II cross country meet on the old layout at Lehigh. Killer series of hills between 3.5 and 5.0 miles on a very tough course overall. Left in the dust on that day were Maree, Korir, Gregorek and a host of others - all but Chebor!