Camille Herron calls the spade a spade

Please stop. She celebrated her 1/2 marathon victory when she KNEW she cut the course. You can't complain about her character, because she has none!

I suspect you believed in Santa until your teens, being so gullible.

🤔. The reason why I'm criticizing Herron is that her commentary on Paulson was inaccurate. Last year she came out with this *analysis* of her performance and *SHE WAS WRONG* which is embarrassing and an unsportsmanlike thing to do on on HERRONs part not Paulsons! Now she's continuing to do it! It's weird, and makes her unlikable.

She also pumped up her own potential ability in Western States then completely crapped the bed, which is fine but its a little like.."focus on yourself Camille."

I'd rather follow other athletes who are more authentic.

Maybe you’re right and she is a victim but should it matter what the supplement was? If a protein powder, electrolyte drink, amino acid powder then I’d agree she is potentially a victim but there are products on the market that a professional athlete should 100% avoid (most pre workouts, anabolic optimizers, etc.) Also did they simply test her supplement container? Seems like the manufacturer should have been visited by authorities and tests should have been done on the lot she purchased as well as current lots. Any athlete could be taking SARMS (widely available) and when they got caught tainted their own supplement. There must be proof the manufacturer was illegally adding it to their product line and if so wouldn’t that be made public?

I believe she said it was a BCAA supplement. It was tested and USADA found it was tainted with ostarine. Quite a few athletes had the same fate around that time - supplement tainted with ostarine and the USADA put out a warning to all athletes in 2017. Even a journal publication mentioned some of these cases. It’s no different than when Ajee Wilson or Jarrion Lawson ingested a contaminated product and tested positive.

I think anyone who claims and Paulson or Wilson or Lawson is a “doper” (based on the evidence we have) is just a modern day witch hunter, in my opinion and hurts the sport more than helping.

I think it is important to put her positive test in the context of when it occurred and what was going on in the supplement business at the time. Ostarine was being found in things as simple as salt tablets (and how many long course triathletes use those without thinking about it), and it was an over-the-counter product that easily could have been getting into other supplements during manufacturing.

From an article (2017) about other triathletes testing positive, that mentions Paulson's positive as well:

Ms. Barnett conclusively proved that salt tablets in her possession were contaminated with ostarine. Ms. Gerdes’ had salt tablets tested that returned an initial presumptive positive for ostarine on an unopened package. The lab was unable to confirm the positive finding on subsequent packets of salt pills according to Ms. Gerdes.

The salt pills tested by Ms. Gerdes were of a different brand than those found to have been contaminated in Ms. Barnett’s case.

Attorney Howard Jacobs represented both women. “Ostarine is probably the biggest problem in supplement contamination. It is exactly the nandrolone problem of today,” said Mr. Jacobs. Nandrolone was the anabolic showing up in the tests of a high number of athletes across sports in the early 2000s. Mr. Jacobs maintains two other cases he’s currently working on – athletes who are not in the sport of triathlon – are similar: inadvertent ingestion of ostarine via a contaminated supplement. Mr. Jacobs also represented U.S. Triathlete Ashley Paulson who also accepted a 6-month ban for ostarine, another case of contamination similar to Ms. Barnett’s according to USADA.

Ostarine is an over-the-counter supplement. Because it’s a popular and effective anabolic it may well be used for illicit purposes and, because it’s popularity, contaminate other substances packaged by labs during the manufacturing process.

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You can pencil me in as seeing Paulson as far more victim than "doper."

The difference between her and anyone else who raced seven years ago while using basic salt tablets or simple recovery products is just luck. The difference isn't smarts, or righteousness, or being a "doper" versus "clean."

If you used a salt tablet in a race, you could be Ashley Paulson.

You are blind. Review her activities in total. Not one instance. She has repeately showed low to zero character. Does it strike you as curious why someone with such low character had the bad luck to buy tainted supplements???

I got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you.

And at the end of the day, she is a hugely accomplished triathlete, ran in the Olympic Marathon Trials (and did quite well), she is still crushing it in marathons, is the Badwater 2022 Women's Champ, Badwater 2023 Overall Champ, and has more accomplishments to come.

You're posting on a message board as "Cheatin' Chickin'" and have probably accomplished little else in your life or in sports.

Seems like Wilson and Lawson’s cases were different. They weren’t sanctioned. I’ve never thought of them as dopers. Ashley was suspended so as far as most people are concerned she did something wrong. I do see your point, she could be a victim but if you’re a professional athlete you should avoid most supplements. There are some on the market that are NCAA approved and tested for banned substances.

Wilson was sanctioned in the sense she lost her American Record and had to forfeit her prize money. She wasn’t suspended, but has a positive drug test (no fault) on her record. She failed a drug test due to contaminated meat and Paulson failed a drug test due to a contaminated supplement. Paulson may or may not have other issues, but I don’t think prove cheating with drugs is one of them.

can't win the argument, go with ad hominem personal attacks.

So sad. btw: retired 51 yr old. accomplished marathoner. wanna race?

You:

"You are blind."

Also you:

"can't win the argument, go with ad hominen personal attacks."

See the irony there?

Not wiki worthy srry.

Can someone explain the reason behind the Wikipedia editing scandal? Is it just some weird ego thing, mental illness, or is there some financial benefit to editing Wikipedia pages (e.g. do sponsors make decisions based on the info on the page)?

What, you don’t have hobbies?

It's a natural consequence of being a professional 10min/mile runner.

After reading through this thread, does anyone else think that "cheatin' chicken" is actually Camille or Connor?

There’s no doubt. Meanwhile, Ashley Paulson has gone on to success after success, while being closely monitored in race after race.

“Paulson” is what happens when a good marathoner/Ironman athlete does ultras and exposes most ultra runners for what they are.

Looks like her website is down for a remodel.