CDC issues 'chestfeeding' guidelines for biological males 'lactating'

is your position that the CDC should ignore that this is happening rather than providing guidance on what health impacts it may have?

NYT Headline: "Chestfeeding men locked up for pedophilia, Harambe hardest hurt."

Good lord, if CPS took this kid away from those two nut jobs it would be the best possible outcome. Lock those two pervs up in the psych ward Immediately.

The evidence doesn't show it is unhealthy.

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Lactation Induction in a Transgender Woman: Macronutrient Analysis and Patient Perspectives - PubMed

These findings provide reassurance about the adequacy of nutrition from human milk produced by non-gestational transgender female and nonbinary parents on estrogen-based, gender-affirming hormone therapy, and support the impo...

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Would you prefer doctors to act on their personal beliefs and disproven conjecture instead of the medical evidence? Imagine your doctor refusing to provide medicine because they "think" modern medicine is wrong and prayer is the best remedy.

It's bizarre how alien the concept of professionalism is to so many of you; I wonder what you do for a living if it is acceptable for your personal beliefs to influence how you treat your customers/clients.

You've linked to an excerpt of a lone study written by a trans activist doctor which is blocked behind a paywall. If you want people to assess the evidence for newborns devouring drug-induced gunk from a pervert's hairy nipple, please at least send a readable source.

From the extremely limited info in the abstract, all the study did was measure the macronutrients, i.e. percentage of fat, protein. It doesn't sound like it's capturing how tainted the gunk is by the massive amount of drugs ingested by the man, nor the vitamin/mineral/antibodies etc content.

How unsurprising that you're making confident statements about scientific matters when you don't even have access to academic journals. 🤡 Let's be real, you're not going to accept anything I show you because you fundamentally think transitioning is disgusting. Unlike you, medical professionals are rational and mature enough to act according to the evidence, not their personal beliefs, and there is no evidence that indicates it is harmful.

This thread is making me feel nauseous now. I just had eggs on toast with red ketchup and white sauce :(

If you have access to the full piece then paste it here, now's your opportunity to convince us. But you won't.

Yet another thing men are better than women at

The abstract reflects the contents of the study and states its conclusions. I really don't care if you're convinced because you and your emotional opinions/conjecture are irrelevant. I'm stating that there is no scientific evidence that this form of lactation is intrinsically harmful, and that the medical community and CDC have acted accordingly. You can disagree as much as you want because you "think" it's disgusting/harmful, but this isn't actual evidence and the medical community will rightfully reject it.

Your claim that "there is no evidence that indicates it is harmful" is faulty on two grounds.

1)The appropriate standard by which we judge what is fed to a newborn baby is not whether there is evidence that the the substance will harm the baby. It's whether there is evidence that the substance is beneficial to the baby.

Even feeding newborn babies tiny amounts of pristine water is "not the done thing" because water is not beneficial to babies the way breastmilk and formula are.

As a result, the standard practice around the world is not to give babies water even in tiny amounts before 6 months of age except in highly unusual circumstances when it's believed that an ounce or two of water might benefit baby - such as when a baby has a fever in a heatwave or is clearly dehydrated.

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Why Can't Babies Have Water? About the Risks and When It's OK

Jessica Jondle

You may have heard that you should avoid giving your newborn anything but breast milk or formula. But why can't babies have water? We have the details.

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In short, decisions about what substance it's appropriate to feed newborn babies are supposed to be based on this question:
Does the substance best meet the baby's nutritional, immunological and health needs?
Not this question:
Is there evidence that this substance is harmful to babies?

If you can't see the difference, then it's a good chance you've never had a baby, studied infant development or been in any way involved in the care of a newborn human being.

2)There is indeed evidence that feeding a newborn baby discharge that comes out of the nipples of a man on a cocktail of Big Pharma drugs is harmful to the baby. The abstract of the case report of one single man's experience that you linked to says

Through exogenous hormone therapy, use of domperidone as a galactogogue, breast pumping, and ultimately direct breastfeeding, the participant was able to co-feed her infant for the first 4 months of life.

Domperidone is not just not approved for this or any other use in the USA, the drug is so dangerous that the FDA has taken the unusual measure of actually making it illegal and of warning mothers of infants who are having trouble producing breast milk not to take it to prompt or increase their milk production.

From the FDA Warning Letter about Domperidone issued in 2004:

June 7, 2004

In response to reports that women may be using an unapproved drug, domperidone, to increase milk production (lactation), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is warning breastfeeding women not to use this product because of safety concerns. Today, FDA also issued six letters to pharmacies that compound products containing domperidone and firms that supply domperidone for use in compounding.

Although domperidone is approved in several countries outside the U.S. to treat certain gastric disorders, it is not approved in any country, including the U.S., for enhancing breast milk production in lactating women and is also not approved in the U.S. for any indication.

The agency is concerned with the potential public health risks associated with domperidone. There have been several published reports and case studies of cardiac arrhythmias, cardiac arrest, and sudden death in patients receiving an intravenous form of domperidone that has been withdrawn from marketing in a number of countries.

In several countries where the oral form of domperidone continues to be marketed, labels for the product contain specific warnings against use of domperidone by breastfeeding women and note that the drug is excreted in breast milk that could expose a breastfeeding infant to unknown risks.

Because of the possibility of serious adverse effects, FDA recommends that breastfeeding women not use domperidone to increase milk production.

The FDA recognizes the immense health benefits that breast milk provides for a nursing infant and is taking these actions today not to discourage women from breastfeeding but rather to warn them not to use this particular drug while they are breastfeeding.

And your Party of woke idiots open the borders to illegal immigrants and drugs. What is with you folks? Weirdos.

I’m too tired from raising a baby. But also; NY post article?

That's a very long way of saying you don't have access to it either. Thanks for clarifying.

As pointed out in my other post, the abstract you linked to says the single male adult in the case report was able to produce some kind of discharge from the nipples that, the case report claims, enabled the male adult "to co-feed" an infant for the baby's first 4 months of life outside the womb.

Through exogenous hormone therapy, use of domperidone as a galactogogue, breast pumping, and ultimately direct breastfeeding, the participant was able to co-feed her infant for the first 4 months of life.

The vague word "co-feed" there is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

How much fluid from the nipples did this male person actually produce each day? How many times every day did this male parent actually "feed" the baby, and for how long each time?

Was the fluid that came out of this male person's nipples continually tested throughout the 4 months of so-called "co-feeding" to make sure it was continually changing to meet the changing nutritional needs of a growing baby the way women's breastmilk does?

Was the flud that came out of the male person's nipples for the 4 month the male claims to have breatfed the baby tested alongside the female parent's breastmilk to make sure that the male peron's so-called milk provided their baby with the exact same nutrients, vitamins and minerals and antibodies in the same exact amounts and proportions?

Also, exactly how much domperidone was this male person taking and for how long?

Even when new mothers use domperidone to stimulate lactation, as when a baby is born very prematurely, they usually take the smallest doses possible for the short periods of time. When women who've given birth take domperidone to stimulate or aid in lactation, they usually do so for just a matter of days - or a couple of weeks at most. Whereas the male in this case was probably on domperidone for all 4 months that he claims to have "co-fed" the baby - and probably on high doses too.

More on domperidone, the drug that trans-identified males are taking to induce what they claim is "lactation" for the purposes of "validating" their gender identities and so they can use newborn babies to prop up up their fantasy-based self-images:

Domperidone is not approved for marketing in the United States by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but is available in other countries. Domperidone may also be available from some compounding pharmacies in the US. The quality of such products cannot be assured, and the FDA has warned against their use.[1]

Data available from 4 small studies on the excretion of domperidone into breastmilk are somewhat inconsistent, but infants would probably receive less than 0.1% of the maternal weight-adjusted dosage. No adverse effects have been found in a limited number of published cases of breastfed infants whose mothers were taking domperidone.

Domperidone is sometimes used as a galactogogue to increase milk supply.[2,3] and has been used in induced lactation by adoptive and transgender women.[4-7] Galactogogues should never replace evaluation and counseling on modifiable factors that affect milk production.[8,9]

Most mothers who are provided instruction in good breastfeeding technique and breastfeed frequently are unlikely to obtain much additional benefit from domperidone. Several meta-analyses of domperidone use as a galactogogue in mothers of preterm infants concluded that domperidone can increase milk production acutely in the range of 90 to 94 mL daily.[3,10,11] Other reviewers concluded that improvement of breastfeeding practices seems more effective and safer than off-label use of domperidone.[12,13]

Domperidone has no officially established dosage for increasing milk supply. Most published studies have used domperidone in a dosage of 10 mg 3 times daily for 4 to 10 days. Two small studies found no statistically significant additional increase in milk output with a dosage of 20 mg 3 times daily compared to a dosage of 10 mg 3 times and that women who failed to respond to the low dosage did not respond to the higher dosage.[14,15]

Dosages greater than 30 mg daily may increase the risk of arrhythmias and sudden cardiac death in patients receiving domperidone,[16] although some feel that the risk is less in nursing mothers because of their relatively younger age.[17]

Large database retrospective cohort studies in Canada found an increase in the risk of cardiac arrhythmias and sudden cardiac death, but some confounders make the results subject to question.[18,19] In one case, domperidone use uncovered congenital long QT syndrome in a woman who developed loss of consciousness, behavioral arrest, and jerking while taking domperidone.[20]

Mothers with a history of cardiac arrhythmias should not receive domperidone and all mothers should be advised to stop taking domperidone and seek immediate medical attention if they experience signs or symptoms of an abnormal heart rate or rhythm while taking domperidone, including dizziness, palpitations, syncope or seizures.[16]

Maternal side effects of domperidone reported in galactogogue studies and cases reported to the FDA include dry mouth, headache, dizziness, nausea, abdominal cramping, diarrhea, palpitations malaise, and shortness of breath. Some of these were more frequent with dosages greater than with 30 mg daily.[14,15,21-23]

Surveys of women taking domperidone for lactation enhancement found gastrointestinal symptoms, breast engorgement, weight gain, headache, dizziness, irritability, dry mouth and fatigue were the most common side effects reported.[24-26]

One mother taking domperidone 20 mg three times daily as a galactogogue for feeding her adoptive daughter developed obsessional thoughts with adjustment disorder. This manifested as thoughts of killing her daughter. Stopping domperidone and instituting duloxetine therapy resulted in remission over a 10 month period.[27]

More worrrying drug withdrawal symptoms that women have experienced when going off domperidone they took to stimulate milk production are described in the rest of the text.

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Domperidone - PubMed

Domperidone is not approved for marketing in the United States by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), but is available in other countries. Domperidone may also be available from some compounding pharmacies in the US....

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Here's what the CDC's post say about chestfeeding:

"Transgender and nonbinary-gendered individuals may give birth and breastfeed or feed at the chest (chestfeed). The gender identity or expression of transgender individuals is different from their sex at birth. The gender identity of nonbinary-gendered individuals does not fit neatly into either man or woman."

They're not talking about males chestfeeding, unless you know a male who has "give[n] birth" recently.

The Post article is misleading when it says that the CDC section is called the "Infant and Young Child Feeding Toolkit." It's not; it's called the "Infant and Young Child Feeding in Emergencies (IYCF-E) Toolkit."

You think that difference is an accident? Of course not, it feeds (so to speak) into an agenda.

What brings us around to males chestfeeding, in the Post article? This quote: "According to the Daily Mail, this advice may apply to biological men who can produce their own breastmilk by taking “hormone drugs”[.] ... However, the outlet noted that the FDA’s warning that one of these drugs, domperidone, [blah blah blah unsourced histrionics[.]"

Ah yes, that notable medical authority, the Daily Mail, based on "could," "may," and "mights." Why was this inserted? Agenda.

I encourage you all to look at the CDC's website (which, of course, was not directly linked in the Post article, because they want you to accept their spin, rather than think for yourselves) and do some critical thinking.

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CDC's Infant and Young Child Feeding in Emergencies Toolkit

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Learn about CDC’s Infant & Young Child Feeding in Emergencies Toolkit

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You misunderstand. Women breastfeed because mother's milk and breastfeeding, particularly in "the fourth trimester," are best for our babies. Except in cases where mothers have mental health issues involving a high degree of narcissism, women don't breastfeed for our own selfish needs.

The male parent in the case report you linked to and the other "transtioned" adult males you are touting as "stunning and brave" here are inducing discharge from their nipples so they can play-act at "feeding" babies in order to "affirm" and "validate" their own gender identities, and/or because it gets them sexually aroused.

Most people who react negatively to males who take massive amounts of drugs that can be harmful to infants to induce so-called "lactation" in order to "breastfeed" newborns are not doing so because we "fundamentally think transitioning is disgusting." What we think is disgusting is adult males who are thoroughly steeped in pursuing their male sex fantasies of magical "transition" and "sex change" putting the health and wellbeing of vulnerable newborn babies at risk by using newborns as props to bolster their own imagination-based self-images and to obtain sexual thrills for themselves.

Many of us are disgusted because we see the selfish behavior of the adult males you laud as child abuse. Child abuse of newborn babies. Moreover, we are aware that in many cases, it's sex abuse of a baby by an adult male - often the poor baby's own father.

What grown men do with own their bodies to fulfill their pie-in-the-sky dreams of turning into women is their own business - have at it, mates. But when grown men who call themselves "transwomen" take their fantasies to the point where they are using newborns, including newborns they themselves have fathered, as "gender affirmation" devices/props and as sexual fetish objects as if the babies were sex toys - that's going too far.

BTW, I say this as someone who would absolutely have loved to have shared the pain-in-the-neck job of breastfeeding with the father of my own children.

If men could really produce breastmilk that's safe and beneficial for newborms, many mums would wholeheartedly support it as I would. Because if men could genuinely breastfeed, it would mean we women wouldn't have to shoulder the entire burden of breastfeeding on our own the way we have to do with the all burdens, inconveniences, deprivations, discomforts, put-downs, sex discrimination, physical pains and potential injuries, traumas and risk to our own lives that come with pregnancy, labor and childbirth.