Caster Semenya is back baby!

You're lying. If all you care about is seeing the fastest times in the 800, you wouldn't be watching a women's races at all, even if Semenya was in it. You would only watch professional men's races. Because Semenya's best 800 time can't even win a good high school boys race.

So stop with your stupid posts about you pretending to want to see a slow biological male beat women.

Huh? Just because the enzyme deficiency known as 5-ARD2 does not affect sex development of females like it affects male sex development does not mean this enzyme deficiency, and the genetic mutations that cause it, don't occur in females and have no effects in females. Fact is, we don't know.

5-ARD2 has effects on male sex development that are so large, dramatic and visible to the eye that they are glaringly obvious. Morover, the impact that 5-ARD2 has on male sex development is of such social significance for affected males in certain areas of life - such as self-concept, self-esteem, sex classifaction, sports category, sexual orienation, sexual relations, marriage laws, having their own children, property & title inheritance, military service, possibility of becoming priests or imams, sex roles, etc - that the condition in males has been studied in depth and at length by people in many different fields.

But just because this enzyme deficiency doesn't have the same kind and size of impact on females doesn't mean it has no impacts at all. We just don't know. Because no one has looked into the possible impacts of 5-ARD2 on females who have it.

Even if 5-ARD2 has no impact on female humans at all, it's erroneous to claim that only males have this enzyme deficiency. The deficiency and the genetic mutations that cause it occur in both sexes with the same prevalence. It's just that it only causes a DSD in males.

Good for Semenya. Society does owe her a better explanation for why it is fair that one who is born into a largely binary society and grows up with everyone around reasonably assuming and she herself identifying as a woman should now be forced to undergo hormone therapy that will surely render her uncompetitive as opposed to just being allowed to participate as a naturally lucky woman.

WA does not believe nor can it openly say “it’s because you are a man”, so I hope the idiots around here don’t chime the usual.

This did make me laugh. A female athlete with testes and an entirely male physiology would have to be very lucky indeed. "This cheetah is a naturally lucky greyhound, let it race you bigot"

Good summary of the core issue behind it being or not being discrimination.

Will current society norms and laws overrule sports rules?

I have a horrible feeling that they will as this is a European matter where the new norms have been far more embraced.

You did not watch Caster’s races?

She was a huge draw in European competitions

Don’t lie to yourself

Human rights trumps sport rules. This is good but the appeals will take too long.

I did. Where does it say that the government of a sovreign nation is beholden to an international group that has no authority or enforcement mechanism?

It does not use your construction but what it did was decide they had jurisdiction and indeed acted on such; so a settled matter in this regards.

Unfortunately, Mister Oh Lord Sir Your Majesty Sebastian Coe does not care. He acts like a dictator, doesn't want competitors for his "Apples of his eyes" poor girls Hodgkinson and Muir... What would we expect from a bloody Tory inspired by Margaret Thatcher?

To be a great leader like anyone inspired by Thatcher.We would still have scores of coal mines if she had not acted or British Leyland punting out rotting cars that were not wanted.

Switzerland chose in the sixties to join the Council of Europe that forms the jurisdiction of the ECHR. You may have a point that Switzerland as a sovereign non-EU state can always choose to not abide but given that it benefits from the European single market and other European relationships, it is unlikely that it wouldn’t unless it views some judgment as an existential crisis; plus the rest of the world can always choose to relocate CAS if they view Switzerland as uncooperative or arbitrary.

If CAS did move would a Euro Athlete argue that the appeal process would not comply with EHRA and thus the process would not comply with EHRA and thus they could apply to EHRC before the case went to CAS.

you win the day for your user name vis a vis the article you posted

But sex matters in human rights. Especially where sports are concerned.

Per the sports rules you portray as at odds with human rights, a separate, protected category of competition was created for women and girls so that in sports the half of the human race who happen to be female get the same general level and type of human rights as males get.

When males are allowed into the sports division created for females for any reason, it means diminishing the human rights of female athletes in order to give some male athletes extra rights - extra rights that aren't granted to males with any other developmental or health conditions.

In my view, the human rights of athletes with differences/disorders of male sex development like Caster Semenya don't trump the human rights of female athletes. Or the human rights other male athletes who might like to compete in the female category because it would give them a far greater chance at gold and glory, but who can't do that because they don't have DSMDs like Semenya, Niyonsaba, Wambui, Mboma and others do.