Well... wrote:
Now, I agree with you that muscle does weigh more than fat, but I find your assertion that a pound of muscle weighs more than a pound of fat to be a little puzzling, as this is physically imposible.
Yeah, I'd have to agree here. A pound is a pound, regardless of what substance you're measuring. Well, I guess if you're talking about money in the UK then maybe its different. But otherwise, a pound is a pound.
JY wrote:
Now think about the 45 minutes of intermitant resistance training with a relatively low metabolic cost that would be required to add and maintain a few lilos of muscle. Assume now that those extra kilos of muscle get you about 50 kcals of energy expenditure each day. Does that amount justify choosing weight training over aerobic activity?
Of course those extra kilos of muscle mass would enable the person to burn more calories while they used that muscle group. But what limits the ability to use a large percentage of the total muscle mass? That's right, endurance, the kind you develop by doing something other than weight training. By increasing their aerobic capacity the individual could work at a higher workload ehile on the treadmill (or whatever) utilize more muscle mass, and actually burn calories at a higher rate and for a longer time.
God I hate how personal trainers just parrot whatever passes as commmon knowledge among the fitness scene.
You actually sound like one of those people on the Big Fat Blog. In fact, the ACSM Position Stand on
"Appropriate Intervention Strategies for Weight Loss and Prevention of Weight Regain for Adults." lists the time to burn 300 calories for resistance training for a 200 pound adult as 33 minutes. This puts continuous weightlifting and continuous running as more or less equivalent, and in fact, overweight people can probably take off weight quicker initially by lifting, because they can't keep running long enough (and their joints/connective tissues may breakdown into injuries if they don't take some weight off first).
For people not used to exercise, alternating 60 minutes of running with 60 minutes of weightlifting on a day basis is quite efficient, and tends to prevent overuse injuries until the person builds up volume. The fat people lifting weights are not fat because the weights don't work, but because they spend too little time lifting and too much time yakking (or too much time eating when not in the gym).
"You actually sound like one of those people on the Big Fat Blog"
Hardly. Look around the whole site, it's insane. Those people regard exercise of any kind, or anything encouraging weight loss, as a felony. They also don't believe that eating behavior and body size are related or that being obese is bad for your health. Fat is great and piss on the world seems to be their motto. I guess that's one way to improve self-esteem when you're fat, ugly and unhappy - pretend that you're the healthy beautiful one and that the world just doesn't get it.
Speed Kills wrote:
..lists the time to burn 300 calories for resistance training for a 200 pound adult as 33 minutes. This puts continuous weightlifting and continuous running as more or less equivalent
Uhmm...have you ever seen someone continually lifting for 33 minutes? Especially a fat person? It's more like 30 seconds of lifting followed by 3-4 minutes of rest, moving around the bench, wiping hands off, spotting someone else, whatever, and then another 30 seconds doing 7-10 reps, etc. It's not even close to continuous.
Lifting weights is not the key to losing weight. Aerobic exercise is.
Here's another, "pound of iron weighs more than a pound of feathers." a pound is pound, folks.
Anyway, I got to jump in here. Muscle is denser than fat- we can all agree there. For the obese/fat person who takes up a weight training regimen, there could be a short term effect of gaining weight. I would venture that it would be a gain of muscle, not more fat. The goal is to decrease the % of body fat and % increase in lean mass (muscle). Eventually, more fat gets burned away and weight loss continues.
As for people saying that muscle does not burn more calories than fat at a state of rest. Then I postulate the example of being stranded at sea with no water or food. The fat guy will survive longer over the muscular guy. Fat guy has energy stores that he can use over time. Our bodies use fat as a last resort to feed our bodies in the absence of nutrients.
Maybe they sit behind a desk all day. Walking 1 mile at 50 minute pace is better than going home and eating Doritos on the couch. At least they are trying, which is more than you can say for the 10,000 other fatties hanging out at WalMart every day.
I have a question: If 100 people who post on letsrun were randomly given a poll:
Who do you despise more?
*fat people
*Jeff Galloway
Which choice do you think would win?
fat people...
b/c their levels of physical minimimums
are less than
Galloways
The last time I flew I was stuck in the middle seat next to a HUGE fat man. He couldn't even put DOWN the armrest, and took up nearly half of MY seat! On the other side was a bi&*^ who was leaning into me from the other side hanging over her armrest. The worst part was that I was 8 months pregnant (and still smaller than most of the people on the plane). It was the most uncomfortable 5 hour flight of my life. I didn't even have the arm room to read a book. Fat people should have to buy 2 seats on ALL flights!
Californian wrote:
Who do you despise more?
*fat people
*Jeff Galloway
Fat people - they take up more room on the subway/sidewalk/escalators.
Crack Home wrote:
Uhmm...have you ever seen someone continually lifting for 33 minutes? Especially a fat person? It's more like 30 seconds of lifting followed by 3-4 minutes of rest, moving around the bench, wiping hands off, spotting someone else, whatever, and then another 30 seconds doing 7-10 reps, etc. It's not even close to continuous.
Lifting weights is not the key to losing weight. Aerobic exercise is.
I practice what I preach, and the people I see lifting weights who are fit are doing roughly 2 minutes rest for compound lifts and 1 minute for isolation lifts, for 8-15 reps, which is the same as me, except for me in squats with sets of 3-6 reps @ heavy weight with rests of 4-6 minutes, so as not to gain weight on the legs as opposed to losing it. Some of this stuff can build muscle and lose fat if you burn enough calories.
The heavy people I see at the gym separate each pansy set of light weights with 10 minutes of talking. But I've also seen plenty of mid/back of packers at road races who are also fat and und up walking half the "race" (yes, I mean 5Ks).
Californian wrote:
I have a question: If 100 people who post on letsrun were randomly given a poll:
Who do you despise more?
*fat people
*Jeff Galloway
Which choice do you think would win?
A lot of fat people are really self conscious and really do want to lose weight, but they don't knnow how (many have tried many diets and exercise plans).
But Jeff Galloway really DOES know better than the crap he's selling.
Easy choice.
Thanks for all your insight, but the actual question being discussed was whether adding muscle mass was an effective way to lose weight by increasing the metabolic rate. It is not.
your mom is disgustingly fat you asshole. F*** YOU!
Well, where else are they supposed to train? The street's aren't safe to run on because of cars, idiots, toy poodles, etc. They can't go to a track because the cops will be called on them. There is no where to train anymore. You have to pay money at a rec to stay in shape. It cost's more money to be healthy then it is to be heavy and out of shape. This summer my fiance was almost picked up on a run by some assholes, I've been hit with rocks, yelled at and chased by dogs. Tonight during our workout the cops were called on us while we are at the track because we jumped the fenced. We are being forced to get fat and out of shape. Not that I am but the US as a whole.
I don't mind fat people because it makes us guys that are fit, standout and look better.
I like how the woman on that blog complains about how hard it is for her to eat her pretzels and drink a soda while she is harnessed into her "fat seat". Lady, maybe you shouldn't be eating the f'in PRETZELS!
If it bothers you guys so much to see fat people working out at the gym you should either get your ass outside or give them some of your expert advice as it seems you all know everything about being fit. They would be appreciative of your knowledge if you presented it respectfully.
The bast about all this is I'm not American!!!
Oh and I'm not fat
You must be fat, common knowledge, expend more than you consume to lose weight. Metabalism is the only major variable, so do some activity on waking, and don't eat too much late at night.
Current society = be more sedate, sit more at the PC, use the remote, takeaways because we are too busy and tired to cook and eat semi-healthy. Everybody works
enough
fat guy