How has Jakob improved his kick? And what would be his 800m time now?

Temp__Account wrote:

Why speaking of steps when we have all the graphics at disposal:

Link:i.imgur.com/T2cjPMo.jpg

Jakob covered the last 100m in 13.3 sec

Girma covered the last 100m in 13.6 sec

Kerr covered the last 100m in 13.9 sec

Obviously there is work of training and energy left: a runner could waste 0.3 sec if not trained optimally for the distance.

longjack wrote:

Temp__Account wrote:

Craig Engel could be a 800m/1500m type like T. Cheruiyot or S. Coe.

ingles and coe...

sir. would love to meet the mind behind this over beer or whatever drugs you are taking.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

600yd/600m man wrote:

Two ways to figure out if J Ingebrigtsen has improved his 800m personal best:

1) Direct evidence. Is there an 800m TT or an 800m race? There are two events and ONLY TWO EVENTS that strongly correlate with 800m: 600m & 1000m. Anyone discussing events longer than 1000m, are not analyzing seriously.

2) Analysis: A 400m race will not tell us much. Most sub-1:48 800m guys are capable of sub-50 400m but how much faster, hard to say. A sub-3:28 1500m guy could be anywhere from a 1:49.xx guy to a 1:40.xx guy. Where in that range, who knows (unless we see #1 for direct evidence)?

C Engels and his 1: 800/1500 personal bests tell us zero about J Ingebrigtsen's current fitness and potential, 800/1500.

Link:http://44.xx/3:34.xx

Let me know when there’s a sub-3:28 guy who can only run 1:49.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

600yd/600m man wrote:

Two ways to figure out if J Ingebrigtsen has improved his 800m personal best:

1) Direct evidence. Is there an 800m TT or an 800m race? There are two events and ONLY TWO EVENTS that strongly correlate with 800m: 600m & 1000m. Anyone discussing events longer than 1000m, are not analyzing seriously.

2) Analysis: A 400m race will not tell us much. Most sub-1:48 800m guys are capable of sub-50 400m but how much faster, hard to say. A sub-3:28 1500m guy could be anywhere from a 1:49.xx guy to a 1:40.xx guy. Where in that range, who knows (unless we see #1 for direct evidence)?

C Engels and his 1: 800/1500 personal bests tell us zero about J Ingebrigtsen's current fitness and potential, 800/1500.

Link:http://44.xx/3:34.xx

Let me know when there’s a sub-3:28 guy who can only run 1:49.

malmo wrote:

Impala31 wrote:

that has nothing to do with 800 speed imo.

True, throughout my career I had no problem out-kicking runners who were "faster" than me.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Kiwi Stat Man wrote:

I’ve found a simple formula that’s surprisingly accurate for predicting/comparing times at 800/1500/3k. The average of 800 pace per lap x .99 and 3k pace/lap is generally very close to 1500 pace/lap.

If Jakob is currently capable of 3:27.50 and 7:20.00, according to this formula he’s capable of 1:45.05. Of course I’m not claiming this as a fact - but it is a surprisingly accurate formula.

Does your formula take into account the effect of doping?

LarsL11 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Does your formula take into account the effect of doping?

Oh look, the village idiot arrived! Beating the same old drum.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Let me know when there’s a sub-3:28 guy who can only run 1:49.

I'm really at the point where I would simply like Jakob to just end this nauseatingly stupid discussion and either run low 1.45's in a small meet somewhere or in a time trial they stick on youtube.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

I'm really at the point where I would simply like Jakob to just end this nauseatingly stupid discussion and either run low 1.45's in a small meet somewhere or in a time trial they stick on youtube.

Obviously Jakob wasn't really trying when he ran his best of 1:46-high as it will be so simple for him to run 1:45-low. Probably about as easy for him as running 3.27.

longjack wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Obviously Jakob wasn't really trying when he ran his best of 1:46-high as it will be so simple for him to run 1:45-low. Probably about as easy for him as running 3.27.

it was a season opener. good 800 runners open in 146 or worse regularly,

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Nordas, the least talented 3:29 man in history said a similar thing on the Letsrun podcast. Interestingly Nordas had the fastest last lap in Oslo to run that 3:29 and also said he wouldn't break 50 seconds in a 400 out of blocks.

Jgt11 wrote:

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Nordas, the least talented 3:29 man in history said a similar thing on the Letsrun podcast. Interestingly Nordas had the fastest last lap in Oslo to run that 3:29 and also said he wouldn't break 50 seconds in a 400 out of blocks.

In the interview he also said that Jakob could definitely break 50.

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Jgt11 wrote:

In the interview he also said that Jakob could definitely break 50.

+1

It was most interesting that he said he started improving when he was no longer training with the brothers, running threshold sessions at too high a lactate. It's easier to run with control when you're the fastest runner in the group as he is now.