Hicks and Tuohy to Bowerman Track Club

Lets give them the fact that they are "respected" in terms of results. Its HOW they get the results that isn't so respective. A matter of semantics

The "doping accusations" are a bunch of losers on a message board. They don't mean anything. Bowerman has had insane success compared to what US running used to be. Tuohy will be in great hands.

I'm assuming someone has multiple actual sources, on record, to post this information. Wild speculation based on social media follows is a waste of bits.

Agree that BTC is above all the rest. OAC is totally sus. So many other really great teams to join with the right fit for her. Hope Tuohy makes the right decision....

BTC is a shadow of its former self.

Houlihan, Infeld, Cragg, Grace, Johnson, Hall, Jorgenson, Quigley, Gabriela Debues-Stafford, Lucia Stafford. and probably others have left.

All that remains are 30-yo Frerichs, 32-yo Seccafien, Schweizer, and Cranny. Fraser trains on her own.

BTC needs to step up its game. But love to see that other clubs are going well...without the controversy like BTC and OAC

Pardon the ignorance but, aside from Dathan, who on ON Athletics club is Sus? Do you mean Union Athletics Club?

I was curious enough about this to do a legal search. Your section 12.1.2 items are related to a student/athlete becoming a pro athlete. Clearly, you are right that a track athlete cannot sign a pro contract to be paid to be in pro races, but there is no limitation to the length of an NIL deal.

The few states that have language in this area 'NIL deals must not extend after the athlete's participation in their sport at their school' (Tennesee) have this to protect the school not the athlete. They don't want former athletes appearing anymore in school uniform and claiming to be a college athlete after they have left the program.

There is some irony in this as an image of Doug Flutie in a BC jersey, or Pre in an Oregon singlet has win/win value. (while maybe OJ in trojan gear not so much).

There is no language saying you can't write up a 10 yr NIL agreement that has Phase 1: during college enrollment and Phase 2: as a private citizen post college enrollment. In phase 2 you could not refer to the college, use logo, or jersey anymore.

justia.com

College Athlete Name, Image, and Likeness Rights Under the Law: 50-State Survey

A student-athlete who seeks to monetize their name, image, and likeness may need to comply with state laws, which also provide rules for colleges and agents.

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You could be right about this, although it would be to a huge detriment to the athlete to sign what is essentially a ‘stipend’ during college, for multiple years after their NCAA eligibility where they’re able to command a higher rate as well as bonus incentives.

Somebody mentioned before regarding NIL rules regarding agents. My understanding of this is the agents aren’t allowed to represent you as a professional athlete so the athlete would have to resign after with the same agent after their NCAA eligibility period (ie: there are no roll overs here either)

See if Hicks changed agent from Flynn when he converted NIL to pro contract.

Pro running is odd as a shoe company, which in most sports is merely another apparel sponsor actually becomes your owner/pro team.

Can set it up like this.

1. NIL w/ college & post college phase.

2. Last day of college - still college phase NIL.

3. First day post college - post college NIL.

4. Second day post college - convert post college NIL to standard pro contract.

No violation, agent can stay.

Tuohy to BTC seems as simple as the connection to Emily Pritt. Flynn Sports athlete service manager, deep ties to both NC State and BTC. That said, Tuohy is one of the top female athletes to go from the NCAA to pro levels since Jenny Simpson. Any training group would likely welcome her. It doesn't seem like there are too many proven choices to go from her current level to making the finals at worlds as a 5000m runner.

New Balance - Northeast is more miler focused but seems to be having good success with Maclean, Purrier, and recently MacKay. Close to home.

OAC - might be a good fit with Monson and Norris, but she'd have to click with Dathan's vision. It doesn't seem like that is a match for everyone, but success can be found in different ways.

Mike Smith Elite Collective - Seems to be a growing conglomerate of women training in Flagstaff. There are a few NC State Alumns out there, it seems like this would be a decent fit with personalized training. Tuohy would know exactly what she was getting from people she knows and trusts.

BTC - Pritt and Flynn could easily steer her that way, she's raced Elise earlier this year so she likely has some sense of what it is like. She knows Eugene, it's nice to move somewhere you have a bit of comfort level when leaving college.

None of the other teams have any track record at this point to take her to the next level. I'd say maybe UAC if Jess Hull were still there but there isn't a 5000m presence right now.

BTC is a logical choice. Assuming Cranny and Schweizer get back to form (or are back in form) she will have great training partners from 800m - 10k.

I thought OAC had limits on the amount of athletes per country in the same events, so not sure how that would work.

Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. Why are people thinking they use PEDs?

More likely that Tuohy is doing that than the OAC runners

I don't get why people view all departures as bad for a team. When a baseball team turns over it's roster every three years, no one bats an eye.

Which of those women other than Houlihan and Johnson was a blow to BTC?

Infeld - injury prone, no longer relevent on world stage. NO offense to EMily but Jerry's not coaching pros to coach the 14th woman at Worlds.
Grace - never a good fit. She's a 34-yr old 800 runner who hasn't races since 2021.
Hall - Ran 15:30 this year
Quigley - injury prone, not as good as Frerichs.
GDS - ok she's decent
LS - onl on team as her sister is good.

Not that I think OAC is doping, but there have definitely been a lot of rumblings from outside of this board.

And the results have almost been too good.

Is Tuohy making this move to duck Valby in the 5k for another year or two ?

Not odd. Pro track is basically an individual, not team sport. Individually-signed athletes can choose to join shoe company-sponsored training groups. Not all do. Depends on the coach, location, etc. GDS is a Nike-sponsored athlete. She's been on one Nike-sponsored training group -- BTC -- as well as Muir's group and now she's back in Canada.