Why are people downvoting me when I say all people should be treated equally? Do you not agree that all people should be treated equally?
Honest question:
One of the factors of admission is whether the applicant is a legacy. At top-tier schools that overwhelmingly favors white applicants. It also gives a bonus for something that the applicant did nothing to earn. Legacy admits also tend to be among the weaker end of the application pool, on average.
To treat people "equally," would you agree that Legacy Admit consideration should be outlawed?
Of course preferential legacy admissions are unfair and should be banned. They are every bit as pernicious to the process as anything being discussed today. Like you said, at the end of the day the admissions depts hold all the cards, and they can easily assemble a class in any way they see fit, right down to a target racial breakdown, without ever explicitly citing race. This case in the end was much ado about nothing. Harvard always wins….
According to the ruling, schools can consider the life experience of applicants. So, every applicant who is a person of color can write an essay that describes how they have faced prejudice, how their great, great grandparents were slaves, or whatever they want to make it obvious what their race is, and the universities can consider that.
Also, remaining in place will be all the factors of consideration that benefit white applicants to top-tier universities, including:
Are you a legacy?
Are you a potential Development Admit?
Are you an athlete (yes, that benefits white applicants more than people of color at top schools)?
Did you go to a private high school?
Did you go to a brand-name boarding school?
Etc.
So, race will be considered through the college essays for people of color, and will be considered in some of the scored metrics for white applicants.
RossiCheated wrote: "So, every applicant who is a person of color can write an essay that describes how they have faced prejudice...."
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I write: Are applicants who are not "person[s] of color" also allowed to describe how they faced prejudice?
Of course they can.
And if they think that will help them get admitted to America's top-tier universities, I would encourage them to go ahead and do that.
They purposefully strive for diversity. That’s not going to change based on this decision, that’s all I am saying. In the past, they could explicitly use race, and now they will use other correlates to achieve the same goal. If you were an Asian plaintiff outraged that you weren’t admitted with your 1600 SAT and 5.0 grade point average, well, you are still not getting admitted after today.
I am astounded that 3 SC justices (not really, the SC has gotten so sadly politicizied) would vote against this. Are they not supposed to rule by the US constitution? The 14th Amendment says equal protection of the laws. How can they rule against this?
'No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Just read the dissents. They let emotion guide their hand instead of the Constitution.
The 14th Amendment and all laws were never applied fairly and evenly or even intended to apply to people of color. The United States has blatantly violated the life, liberty and property of millions of people of color since and before the 14th Amendment. SMH...
I'm sorry, the sheer stupidity at saying this. No, not every can be legacy, if your parents didn't go to XYZ college then you can't be a legacy student.
Did the decision say anything about colleges being able to use socioeconomic status as a factor in admissions? That’s really the biggest factor in limiting access to a bachelors degree.
So you're admitting that colleges plan to keep on discriminating. Why do you think colleges should be able to take race into account?
Colleges have always discriminated in one way or another regarding admissions. You can say it’s discrimination if an applicant with lower scores and grades is admitted because of their race, or the neighborhood they grew up in, or because they were raised in a single parent household, or because they can run fast or because their parent donated a building. None of this is changing.
I'm sorry, the sheer stupidity at saying this. No, not every can be legacy, if your parents didn't go to XYZ college then you can't be a legacy student.
If a man can identify himself as a woman, can't a man or woman identify themselves as legacy people?
I agree with critics who suggest that many universities will simply go around this ruling and use proximate factors to achieve the same ends. Bolsheviks are very determined to destroy.
If affirmative action is good, why don’t we see more companies employing it? And if it’s bad, why did so many colleges use it in their admissions standards?
Does legacy discriminate on the basis of race? No.
Anyone may have parents who attended a specific college, but not everyone can fulfill a racial quota.
Can’t tell if you’re genuinely this stupid or not. America was founded by Whites. In the early 20th century, colleges were 99% White. That diversity or lack thereof trickles down with legacy admissions.
Again, I cannot comprehend how we have arguments this stupid. My parents didn't go to college so I cannot be a legacy student. "They may have attended" is not relevant. "They may have been black", the fact is they weren't.
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