I miss the Norwegian bloke Narve Gilje Nordås on the 1500m start list. This guy, coached by Gjert, the father of the Ingebrigtsen, ran 3.29.47 @diamonleaugeOslo last week...
Moraa's coach planned sub-1:56 in Monaco as was reported exactly. But of course that is a race to win.
Jemma Reekie, looks like, is finally improving this season, at least set 1500 PB, and is also in the field. Audrey Werro also, very interesting what can clock fresh 1000 U20 WR holder.
Bad pacemaker as it is Poland's Patrycja Wyciszkiewicz-Zawadzka again, who is bad. There is second Pole much better, very good rabbit, Aneta Lemiesz.
Monaco does not have a women's 800m, so I assumed that was actually a typo. Targeting it here makes a ton of sense for Moraa, as she will likely run just the 400 at Kenyan Trials. Of course, she could alsotry to do it in Silesia or London if she opts to.
Amusan ran 12.57 (-0.4) her last time out for the win, so not sure the poster's point there. She seems to be on the upswing.
Jakob is definitely targeting a PB in my estimation...I'd just worry there's not going to be enough pacing help. Granted the lights may do the trick. I agree it would be more fun to see him in one of these 5,000s.
Stockholm somewhat shockingly also already has entries:
Like this new trend. Nice M800 there (Moula, Sedjati, Korir), and Chebet vs. Gidey at 5K too. 1500 has Welteji, Muir, Haylom and Hailu.
Letesenbet v Beatrice Chebet in Stockholm will be great. I think Letesenbet will scare Faiths new WR in this race. She runs better in cooler weather and it was very warm in Paris. All her WR have been set in temperatures of 22 Celsius or less.
Additionally, look at her motivation for this race. She was in the first row two weeks ago watching her WR fall and now she races the very athlete who stormed past to take the win at WCC champs in Bathurst whilst she herself collapsed in dramatic fashion. I think she will be focussed like never before…….
I am getting flashbacks to Mo Farah 2013. You guys were saying the same thing. "These Kenyans/Ethiopians need to share the work to beat Mo."
The fact is, they are not going to. Even if they did, they aren't dropping Jingy. He didn't race those guys until Worlds last year and he destroyed them. He will do it again.
Few notes though:
-Injured Cheptegei (in prelims)
-Overcooked/Injured Kejelcha
-No Kiplimo (only ran 10K after injuries in Spring)
-No Katir (only raced 1500 after illnesses in spring)
Last year Jingys strongest competition was Krop who while really good (12:45) is not on the level of this year’s Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Katir nor Cheptegei at his best. He lost to a fully-fit Kiplimo and Kipkorir pretty definitively at the Commonwealth Games.
Have these guys declared what events theyre going for at Worlds? Cheptegei has looked (and has been) beatable for the last two years.
When was the last time Katir beat Jingy?
A fresh Kejelcha will be a threat for sure.
Jingy has been watching these guys race each other all year in the 5k. He's going to see them race against each other again next week. He's going to know what theyre going to do. They will have no clue what he can do.
The Olympics 5,000 in Tokyo was fast and broke some of the kickers. I think that might be what they’re looking for with more coordination. Last year it was so hot, I think everyone just gave up on a fast one.
As far as this one, Barega and Aregawi need a fast time potentially (Ethiopian 10K trials are in 2 days). Cheptegei definitely will want to win, though he should be comfortable waiting. Haile Bekele has no incentive to push before 1k to go. I suspect 12:50 is more likely than 12:40, but if either Barega/Aregawi miss out on the 10K, it might be in their best interest to work hard the 4th kilometer. Aregawi is much better with pace and space anyway. If he’s recovered he should consider mimicking what Kiplimo did in Oslo.
It was a 12:58 race, nowhere close to the pace needed to break Jakob. Anyone that thinks these athletes will work together to run a pace fast enough to drop a 7:54 guy is deluded. You can pull up these exact same conversations before 2012/2013/2015/2016 about Mo Farah, I feel like im having deja-vu. The only thing that finally did him in was old age, not a fast pace
-No Kiplimo (only ran 10K after injuries in Spring)
-No Katir (only raced 1500 after illnesses in spring)
Last year Jingys strongest competition was Krop who while really good (12:45) is not on the level of this year’s Kiplimo, Kejelcha, Katir nor Cheptegei at his best. He lost to a fully-fit Kiplimo and Kipkorir pretty definitively at the Commonwealth Games.
Have these guys declared what events theyre going for at Worlds? Cheptegei has looked (and has been) beatable for the last two years.
When was the last time Katir beat Jingy?
A fresh Kejelcha will be a threat for sure.
Jingy has been watching these guys race each other all year in the 5k. He's going to see them race against each other again next week. He's going to know what theyre going to do. They will have no clue what he can do.
Cheptegei has yet to show his 2020 form, I don't consider him a threat at 5,000. Jakob smoked Katir in the 5,000 3 weeks after Worlds so not sure why him not running last year would have changed anything. Kejelcha is a perennial Championship underperformer, the only good championship of his life was under Al Sal, I need to see it to believe it.
Kiplimo is the only one I consider a true threat to Jakob at 5,000, watch his last 150 at Comm. games last year after an abbreviated build-up. His finishing speed gets overlooked because of his incredible engine, but he can close
The Olympics 5,000 in Tokyo was fast and broke some of the kickers. I think that might be what they’re looking for with more coordination. Last year it was so hot, I think everyone just gave up on a fast one.
As far as this one, Barega and Aregawi need a fast time potentially (Ethiopian 10K trials are in 2 days). Cheptegei definitely will want to win, though he should be comfortable waiting. Haile Bekele has no incentive to push before 1k to go. I suspect 12:50 is more likely than 12:40, but if either Barega/Aregawi miss out on the 10K, it might be in their best interest to work hard the 4th kilometer. Aregawi is much better with pace and space anyway. If he’s recovered he should consider mimicking what Kiplimo did in Oslo.
It was a 12:58 race, nowhere close to the pace needed to break Jakob. Anyone that thinks these athletes will work together to run a pace fast enough to drop a 7:54 guy is deluded. You can pull up these exact same conversations before 2012/2013/2015/2016 about Mo Farah, I feel like im having deja-vu. The only thing that finally did him in was old age, not a fast pace
Well there was one other thing that may have caught up with Mo Farah in 2017 and that was he had to run 26:49 in the 10000m final to defeat Cheptegei. Mo had never had to break 27 to win his other global titles.
It was a 12:58 race, nowhere close to the pace needed to break Jakob. Anyone that thinks these athletes will work together to run a pace fast enough to drop a 7:54 guy is deluded. You can pull up these exact same conversations before 2012/2013/2015/2016 about Mo Farah, I feel like im having deja-vu. The only thing that finally did him in was old age, not a fast pace
It was on a hot day, but anyway what you are missing is that Kiplimo is better (and more bold) than any of those guys in that era. An in-form Cheptegei is too as far as his ability (though he is a conservative racer). You need look no further than Oslo where Kiplimo blasted it solo for 2000 meters from 2200 to 4200, or World Cross this year. I'm not saying it will work, but if Kiplimo does well in the 10, he might just try and run away with in in the 5. That is not something that the likes of Gebrhiwet, Ndiku or Gebremeskel were going to try to do. None of them would go out in way under HM World Record pace frequently as well. He doesn't need "help," if he decides his best move is to try to blast a fast 5K.
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Cheptegei has yet to show his 2020 form, I don't consider him a threat at 5,000. Jakob smoked Katir in the 5,000 3 weeks after Worlds so not sure why him not running last year would have changed anything. Kejelcha is a perennial Championship underperformer, the only good championship of his life was under Al Sal, I need to see it to believe it.
Kiplimo is the only one I consider a true threat to Jakob at 5,000, watch his last 150 at Comm. games last year after an abbreviated build-up. His finishing speed gets overlooked because of his incredible engine, but he can close
To be clear, I think Jakob is the better version of Katir in pretty much every way. Similar training, similar weaknesses etc. But Katir is in better form than any point last year. He is also a physical racer and in our scenario where Kiplimo and/or Cheptegei push early he's a guy who will be frustrating to go around and possibly will box/pass with elbows in the last lap. So, just like Chelimo in some cases he can disrupt others' races.
Yes. I think this will be a repeat of Oslo last year with Wightman fading the last 200. Would love to be wrong, but I suspect Girma, Cheruiyot and potentially Kerr will be the bigger dangers. I think Farken and Arese have to be considered contenders to do what Habz and Nordas did and lop off a huge chunks off their PBs in a way faster race than they've been in.
Kinda wish Jakob would run this 5000 instead of another 1500. I’m fine waiting to see him race Wightman until August and would rather see him v Kiplimo in a fast 5000, but he’s clearly obsessed with the 1500. Is he going to be targeting another PB?
The scoring tables may have Girma's WRs as stronger than Jakob's bests but I don't see him beating him or coming close to sub 3'30". Girma fourth in a fast race (obviously).
The scoring tables may have Girma's WRs as stronger than Jakob's bests but I don't see him beating him or coming close to sub 3'30". Girma fourth in a fast race (obviously).
The scoring tables have Girma’s steeple WR equal to 7:55.6 for 2 miles, 1.5 seconds slower than Jakob’s World Best. They have his 7:23.81 indoor record as being worth 1306 points, which I hope everyone would agree is ridiculous; 7:23.81i is not worth 3:25.77/7:19.69/12:34 outdoors.
I think Girma probably can run under 3:30, but that doesn’t mean he can truly threaten Jakob.
I didn’t know about his little bro, Kuma Girma. This kid just ran an 8:10 2 mile in Paris and he’s only 17! He could be the Jakob to Lamecha’s Filip for all we know.
I am getting flashbacks to Mo Farah 2013. You guys were saying the same thing. "These Kenyans/Ethiopians need to share the work to beat Mo."
The fact is, they are not going to. Even if they did, they aren't dropping Jingy. He didn't race those guys until Worlds last year and he destroyed them. He will do it again.
Exactly. The weekly raves about the 5000 guys are meaningless. Jakob knows he doesn't need to practice a 5000. Last year in Eugene after the 1500 loss to Wightman he was asked what he had been thinking during the 5000. Jakob matter of factly replied that he was determined to win by margin because he knew he was much the best.
That's the way he views the 5000 field and it's absolutely the correct perspective. All the details thrown around here about this split or that strategy are meaningless. Only one variable comes into play. One guy is much the best.
Hodgkinson vs Moraa is the most intriguing race. Keely hasn't been able to defeat her minus margin down the stretch.
Alemu of Ethiopia is also in that field. Not a threat for victory but people tend to forget she was once ranked 2nd in the world at 800 and finished 6th in the Tokyo final.
Alemu tends to be good every other year. This was slated to be an up season for her and so far it looks that way.
I also note Zoe Sedney in the prelim 200. That is a further transformation of a sprint hurdler into a 400 runner, as Meuwly desperately searches for a stronger relay leg while Bol and Klaver are in their prime. The Dutch could possibly medal if a 52 leg turns into a 51 leg. Last year at this time Sedney was running 100 hurdles, including at World Championships and European Championships. This outdoor season she hasn't hurdled at all. It's been a mixture of 200 and 400.
This year is Mary Moraa's. This race in Lausanne is going to be very fast and if she loses, it will be very close. Thereafter, she will win all the way to the world championships and the diamond league final. She will run low 1:54 before the season is over and not ruling out a sub 1:54. You can cash that check.
The scoring tables may have Girma's WRs as stronger than Jakob's bests but I don't see him beating him or coming close to sub 3'30". Girma fourth in a fast race (obviously).
Girma is not kind of runners that will stick behind Jakob.
There are reasons that confort the idea he is not like other Ethiopian runners
(especially the disappointing Tefera, Kechelja, Barega, WALE etc)
So far everything look like a breakthrough year.
But who know the truth with be revealed by the track.
Hodgkinson vs Moraa is the most intriguing race. Keely hasn't been able to defeat her minus margin down the stretch.
Hodgkinson won with her during most important race, which was final at the Worlds 22. Stockholm (little accident) and DL Final (KH without form at the end of the season at 20yo) don't count as you could say 2023 indoor demolishing don't count.
I'm afraid against Moraa's power presented at Commonwealths your Mu has also no chance at all.
I am getting flashbacks to Mo Farah 2013. You guys were saying the same thing. "These Kenyans/Ethiopians need to share the work to beat Mo."
The fact is, they are not going to. Even if they did, they aren't dropping Jingy. He didn't race those guys until Worlds last year and he destroyed them. He will do it again.
Exactly. The weekly raves about the 5000 guys are meaningless. Jakob knows he doesn't need to practice a 5000. Last year in Eugene after the 1500 loss to Wightman he was asked what he had been thinking during the 5000. Jakob matter of factly replied that he was determined to win by margin because he knew he was much the best.
That's the way he views the 5000 field and it's absolutely the correct perspective. All the details thrown around here about this split or that strategy are meaningless. Only one variable comes into play. One guy is much the best.
There's no "exactly" about it. One minor detail for you guys-
In Kiplimo and Kajelcha he has 2 competitors running significantly faster and better than anyone was last year. They both could have certainly run under 12:40 with more even pacing. They both showed excellent finishing speed. If either can emulate that they certainly have a good shot vs Jakob. And then there is Girma. But I guess he will just run the SC.
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