A better question might be: Can Laure Muir run faster than Keely Hodgkinson?? Like Faith, if they trained for it, they would beat Keely. ....If Keely was cranking out sub-51 400s then it would be different but at 52.xx PR for 400, she is clearly a strength based 800 runner. Well if that's the case, Kipyegon and Muir both have more strength than Hodgkinson. It may even be the case that Muir and Kipyegon are faster over 400 meters too.
Any 800m female runner who can run 52.xx is 'speed based'. In other words, a 400/800 or pure 800-type (as opposed to a 8/15 type). In Keely's case based on what she did this weekend, she is most certainly a low 51 secs runner. I was at the UK U23/U20 Champs where she ran 52.2 and the wind for the 400s was horrible. Most women in the U23 final and all of the U20 heats that preceded it, were around a second outside their bests .
No way could either Muir or Kipyegon be faster 400 runners. Muir was running 55.3 when she was a 2:00 800m runner. Maybe she could have run 53.x when she running 1:56. As for Kipyegon - a 51 sec / 14:05 runner never existed.
I peeked at the schedule for Worlds and it looks like the 1500 rounds/semifinal/final are completed in the first half and the 800 rounds/semifinal/final are completed in the second half with no day overlap. I know this almost certainly wouldn't happen but that could mean Faith could focus on the 1500 and winning gold and then see if she could medal/win? in the 800.
I peeked at the schedule for Worlds and it looks like the 1500 rounds/semifinal/final are completed in the first half and the 800 rounds/semifinal/final are completed in the second half with no day overlap. I know this almost certainly wouldn't happen but that could mean Faith could focus on the 1500 and winning gold and then see if she could medal/win? in the 800.
if she does double, she'll def add the 5000 not the 800
The speculated 800 (/1000) performance from Faith may become reality sooner than some think.
Citius Mag / Patrick Sang wrote:
When Faith ran the 1500m world record, she went ahead of the lights and the final lap was 60 seconds. That's Faith's biggest strength–the kick she has in the last lap. Over the years, how have you focused on refining that speed? "She has the capacity for serious endurance, and she has the capacity for pure speed. [Athletes like her] are a rare species. They're not common. So working on speed is not one of the biggest weaknesses that we want to eliminate, because it's a strength in itself…sometime between Florence and Paris, she was asked by somebody, 'Which phase are you at in your training, the hard side?' And she said 'medium' – because psychologically we're not done what we’re doing towards trying to run a good 800m and a good 1000m. We have not gone there yet, but she knows it's coming."
The speculated 800 (/1000) performance from Faith may become reality sooner than some think.
Citius Mag / Patrick Sang wrote:
When Faith ran the 1500m world record, she went ahead of the lights and the final lap was 60 seconds. That's Faith's biggest strength–the kick she has in the last lap. Over the years, how have you focused on refining that speed? "She has the capacity for serious endurance, and she has the capacity for pure speed. [Athletes like her] are a rare species. They're not common. So working on speed is not one of the biggest weaknesses that we want to eliminate, because it's a strength in itself…sometime between Florence and Paris, she was asked by somebody, 'Which phase are you at in your training, the hard side?' And she said 'medium' – because psychologically we're not done what we’re doing towards trying to run a good 800m and a good 1000m. We have not gone there yet, but she knows it's coming."
sifan hassan ran 1:56 the year she ran 3:51.95. Laura Muir has run 1:56 (or 1:57?). I'd be surprised if Faith weren't capable of 1:55
If Faith is in 1:55 shape, Keely is definitely in 1:52 high shape. Faith is strength-based and Keely is more on Speed. Don't care what people say, Keely's limit is 1:52.80
Only 30 women have a faster 1000m PB than Faith's average for 1000m during her 1500m WR. For sure Kipyegon has the potential to better the 1000m WR significantly and it wouldn't be a contest with Hodginson. Much closer over 800m, but still Kipyegon would be the clear favourite.
Faith ran 1:58 last year at the Kenyan trials against Mary Moraa who ran 1:57 at that trial (The same Faith who would run 3:50 1500 in Monaco 6-7 weeks later) . Mary would PB at 1:56 at the Finals for Bronze against Keely (Silver) and Athing Mu (Gold) at Worlds in Eugene. Not to mention Mary Moraa hit a 50.44 400 just two months ago.
Not to mention, Indoors and Out. Keely has a 5-3 record against Moraa. So If Keely can best against Kenya's best 800 runner (Who is also 400m/800m Oriented) how can you think Faith has a chance? Because of a World Record aided 3:49 1500m?
Claiming Faith can go 7s per 800m faster than her 1500m pace
*3:49.11 1500m averages = 2:02.19 800m*
Is like saying that Hicham El Guerrouj could run 1:42 800m in his prime. (Not saying he wouldn't be able to if he trained, but that would've been an absurd assumption based on 1500m time alone)
Claiming Faith can go 7s per 800m faster than her 1500m pace
*3:49.11 1500m averages = 2:02.19 800m*
Is like saying that Hicham El Guerrouj could run 1:42 800m in his prime. (Not saying he wouldn't be able to if he trained, but that would've been an absurd assumption based on 1500m time alone)
Men and women are too different for such comparisons. What do you mean with "1:42"? 1:42.00, 1:42.99?
Claiming Faith can go 7s per 800m faster than her 1500m pace
*3:49.11 1500m averages = 2:02.19 800m*
Is like saying that Hicham El Guerrouj could run 1:42 800m in his prime. (Not saying he wouldn't be able to if he trained, but that would've been an absurd assumption based on 1500m time alone)
Men and women are too different for such comparisons. What do you mean with "1:42"? 1:42.00, 1:42.99?
1000m: no comparison
800m: could be close, but I would bet on Kipyegon
Kinda strange to say the 800m "could" be close? It seems you think Faith most likely would win easily, so, what times to do you think the two of them would run?
Juantorena has run 17 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
Coe has run 10 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
Morceli has run 6 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
Lagat has run 4 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
I think Kipyegon can take on Moraa and with little concentration I think she would beat Hodkinson.
First of all, there is no known 1500 PB for Juantorena. So it seems you made it up to favor Faith or something, which is sad. Even if he did go below 4:00 Mile, His 400m PB was 44.26 and 800m of 1:43. It'd be pretty obvious he was like David Rudisha and would've preferred running a 200m over taking the Mile Seriously.
Second of all, Seb Coe is much more 800/1500m Oriented. In fact, he split a 45.xx in a 4x400. How are you gonna compare his anaerobic base to Faith? She ran a 14:05 5K this month. It's obvious she's more 1500/5000 built than 800. Seb Coe Gradually decreases after 800 (In regards) to pace.
46.87 400m
1:41.73 800m - 50.865s per 400
2:12.18 800m - 52.872s per 400
3:29.77 800m - 55.93s per 400
4:58.84 2000m - 59.768s per 400
7:54.33 3000m - 63.244s per 400
Same with Morceli, as for Lagat. I'd say he is a close comparison to Kipyegon. But...Even with the Lagat comparison her PB would only aim around 1:57-1:58. Which was her lifetime best back in 2020 where Cheptegei set his 12:35 5K in Monaco.
Juantorena has run 17 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
Coe has run 10 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
Morceli has run 6 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
Lagat has run 4 seconds faster in the 800m than in his 1500m PB.
I think Kipyegon can take on Moraa and with little concentration I think she would beat Hodkinson.
First of all, there is no known 1500 PB for Juantorena. So it seems you made it up to favor Faith or something, which is sad. Even if he did go below 4:00 Mile, His 400m PB was 44.26 and 800m of 1:43. It'd be pretty obvious he was like David Rudisha and would've preferred running a 200m over taking the Mile Seriously.
Second of all, Seb Coe is much more 800/1500m Oriented. In fact, he split a 45.xx in a 4x400. How are you gonna compare his anaerobic base to Faith? She ran a 14:05 5K this month. It's obvious she's more 1500/5000 built than 800. Seb Coe Gradually decreases after 800 (In regards) to pace.
46.87 400m
1:41.73 800m - 50.865s per 400
2:12.18 800m - 52.872s per 400
3:29.77 800m - 55.93s per 400
4:58.84 2000m - 59.768s per 400
7:54.33 3000m - 63.244s per 400
Same with Morceli, as for Lagat. I'd say he is a close comparison to Kipyegon. But...Even with the Lagat comparison her PB would only aim around 1:57-1:58. Which was her lifetime best back in 2020 where Cheptegei set his 12:35 5K in Monaco.
When someone starts with "First of all..." !!
I have not made up anything.
For sure Juantorena and the others are completely irrelevant for the question. I just wanted to show you how extremely different athletes are.
Also completely irrelevant is a 800m defeat before the seasons 1500m peak.
I don't think Hodkinson will run sub 1:55.5, definitely not sub 1:55.0. Kipyegon could do it, but only with some concentration on the event, not at her current form.
I don't think Hodkinson will run sub 1:55.5, definitely not sub 1:55.0. Kipyegon could do it, but only with some concentration on the event, not at her current form.
Stop posting in this thread, next thread with stupid title including Hodgkinson's name...
Don't make Kipyegon bigger monster than she is, though of course with some training she would be very good at 800, hard to speculate at what level.
Keely Hodgkinson will go sub 1:55 for sure easily in the future, though no further.
Once again, if you want to make 800 comparisons take Mu.
For sure Juantorena and the others are completely irrelevant for the question. I just wanted to show you how extremely different athletes are.
Also completely irrelevant is a 800m defeat before the seasons 1500m peak.
I don't think Hodkinson will run sub 1:55.5, definitely not sub 1:55.0. Kipyegon could do it, but only with some concentration on the event, not at her current form.
Imagine making up a PB just to make someone look better. Couldn't be me.
Regardless. No 1500/5000 runner is gonna be as successful at the 800. She turns 30 next year.
These are the ages of the Top 10 fastest 800m Runners age when they peaked + Keely: Jarmila Kratochvilova (1:53.28) age 32 Nadezhda Olizarenko (1:53.43) age 27 Pamela Jelimo (1:54.01) age 18 Caster Semenya (1:54.25) age 27 Ana Quirot (1:54.44) age 25 Olga Mineyeva (1:54.81) age 27 Tatyana Kazankina (1:54.94) age 24 Athing Mu (1:55.04) age 19 Doina Melinte (1:55.05) age 25 Maria Mutola (1:55.19) age 21 Keely Hodgkinson (1:55.77) age 21
Average age is 24. Apart from Jarmila (who set the 400m World Record the same season and for many reasons, the soviet athletes shouldn't count). The rest are younger than 30. So I doubt a 1500/5000m WR Holder is gonna get the same speed.
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Men and women are too different for such comparisons. What do you mean with "1:42"? 1:42.00, 1:42.99?
1000m: no comparison
800m: could be close, but I would bet on Kipyegon
Kinda strange to say the 800m "could" be close? It seems you think Faith most likely would win easily, so, what times to do you think the two of them would run?
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